From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:40:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D8E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFBD8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3VyB-0001no-Fq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:57 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:55 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 -0000 Jerry seibercom.net> writes: > > > However, the influence of their employer > > is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX > > community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". > ... > Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a > row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the > course of an entire industry. Well, this is not about progress, not even about the pace of it. It is about an ecosystem, in which a professional company tries to dominate it by "my way, or high way" approach (you know it when you follow development of Fedora, their test system distro). Because of the nature of that ecosystem called free and open source software, what is implemented has great impact on it by way of sharing and like-mindedness. What bothers me (and few other people, even inside Red Hat/Fedora) is them speaking from both sides of their mouth. On one side they call themselves UNIX-like, on the other they violate many principles of UNIX philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy This is not a religion (to some it may be), but "a set of cultural norms and philosophical approaches to developing software based on the experience of leading developers of the Unix operating system" - they are relevant beyond any doubt. Let me mention few of them, like modularity and composition, that are violated by software like systemd, GNOME, etc. They also want to build a monolithic OS based on violation of these principles. The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. jb