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Date:      Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:42 +0100
From:      Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>
To:        "deeptech71@gmail.com" <deeptech71@gmail.com>
Cc:        gjb@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: The FreeBSD Project is enabling Google Analytics on www.freebsd.org
Message-ID:  <20121210093841.GP69108@e-new.0x20.net>
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On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 03:36:17PM +0100, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote:
> Glen Barber wrote:
> > The FreeBSD Project is enabling Google Analytics on www.freebsd.org.
>=20
> Congratulations, by choosing probably the easiest-to-use but
> most-threatening-to-users tracking system, you have successfully
> managed to display amateurism on part of the web site's staff.
>=20
> > But we can do this on our own, why do we need to send data to a third
> > party?
> >
> > - Doing this on our own means increased infrastructure, increased
> >   maintenance, and increased security exposure.
> >
> > - Google already supplies a large number of tools, there isn't a need
> >   to duplicate effort.
>=20
> Noone asked you to create your own tools from the ground up.
> Ironically speaking, have you even googled for (open source) web
> analytics software? Software that takes 10 minutes to install.
>=20
> > - Google Analytics answers questions that cannot be discerned from
> >   just grepping logs.  For example, How long do FreeBSD users browse
> >   the website; which pages are most likely to bounce users or draw
> >   users in; what is the most common screen resolution, which Operating
> >   Systems visitors to the website read and which pages specifically?
>=20
> > By using Google Analytics, some of the things we can learn
> > (specifically about our documentation) include:
>=20
> You meant to say: "By using some web analytics solution, some of the
> things we can learn include [...]; BTW, we choose Google's solution."
>=20
> > But I don't want Google to know I exist!?
> >
> > It is possible to opt-out by setting the "Do Not Track" flag on your
> > browser.
>=20
> Information (that can be used against me) gathered indirectly from
> billions of sources is often stronger than information gathered
> directly. I'd rather have it that Google could track me, but noone
> else.
>=20
>=20
> European Union data protection regulations -- smartly -- require web
> sites to notify users if their data is being collected, although these
> regulations are not very actively enforced yet. Not only that you do
> not have such a notification, you don't even have the Privacy Policy
> section linked on the main page!

There are probably millions of websites that use GA.=20
Have you already complained to the their operators about using GA? If
not, please do so.

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