From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 09:38:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669A8826; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E638FC08; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 472436A6000; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBA9cgfo054610; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBA9cgHk053879; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:42 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: "deeptech71@gmail.com" Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Project is enabling Google Analytics on www.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20121210093841.GP69108@e-new.0x20.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d8o5DkpIDJ25MRRD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE-p4 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: gjb@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:38:43 -0000 --d8o5DkpIDJ25MRRD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 03:36:17PM +0100, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: > > The FreeBSD Project is enabling Google Analytics on www.freebsd.org. >=20 > Congratulations, by choosing probably the easiest-to-use but > most-threatening-to-users tracking system, you have successfully > managed to display amateurism on part of the web site's staff. >=20 > > But we can do this on our own, why do we need to send data to a third > > party? > > > > - Doing this on our own means increased infrastructure, increased > > maintenance, and increased security exposure. > > > > - Google already supplies a large number of tools, there isn't a need > > to duplicate effort. >=20 > Noone asked you to create your own tools from the ground up. > Ironically speaking, have you even googled for (open source) web > analytics software? Software that takes 10 minutes to install. >=20 > > - Google Analytics answers questions that cannot be discerned from > > just grepping logs. For example, How long do FreeBSD users browse > > the website; which pages are most likely to bounce users or draw > > users in; what is the most common screen resolution, which Operating > > Systems visitors to the website read and which pages specifically? >=20 > > By using Google Analytics, some of the things we can learn > > (specifically about our documentation) include: >=20 > You meant to say: "By using some web analytics solution, some of the > things we can learn include [...]; BTW, we choose Google's solution." >=20 > > But I don't want Google to know I exist!? > > > > It is possible to opt-out by setting the "Do Not Track" flag on your > > browser. >=20 > Information (that can be used against me) gathered indirectly from > billions of sources is often stronger than information gathered > directly. I'd rather have it that Google could track me, but noone > else. >=20 >=20 > European Union data protection regulations -- smartly -- require web > sites to notify users if their data is being collected, although these > regulations are not very actively enforced yet. Not only that you do > not have such a notification, you don't even have the Privacy Policy > section linked on the main page! There are probably millions of websites that use GA.=20 Have you already complained to the their operators about using GA? If not, please do so. --d8o5DkpIDJ25MRRD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEUEARECAAYFAlDFraEACgkQKc512sD3afjIywCY5y0wCIO0A45qnrIDAcKZzX0G fwCgq9LqclwHNf64vWRoVkCkunvJF40= =WLzp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d8o5DkpIDJ25MRRD--