From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 18:14:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DD816A421 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05E313C4EB for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7320527pyb for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pusSYwI9lP/+W/xA58+Jl2pff7u0Z7pxAl6Zj6kj8+4=; b=AvA5NLcvoSdQ48EAtwtF0fATxngGNwChbRk5KbTnwuD3ZCn9ioL6XxS4V7khKphfOk1Xi0xGjOR4WvBx1NES+xd4syxlypyenTXViS9AWktnMqpG9G79iNr6OcPx9OS6xShLgzmCaNTODCWo+L7cs5FXf2EPxqvoGdenDfC3SSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EZiq/qyH/ON5tymc9JEwXEg8uY5kKEAsQhot0Bru8FDtKyEcH9hKIiLuMrX9aQZoWlFidORb/Axr1Q2bwWMIElsKkhljaANid/zJhwwkxktBqlz0RM6gJxqbAXurb+SpxtcErBqK14qAPDqWTtKLK31KA6rX1m3TjkW2ANWCB6Y= Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr26372505qbf.1196705696291; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z21sm7131414qbc.2007.12.03.10.14.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:14:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4754479E.3060403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:14:54 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> <7957A7E2-3ADA-4BD5-934C-F10A1F08F72F@FreeBSD.org> <47544020.5090605@gmail.com> <47544272.6040904@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47544272.6040904@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:14:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Ade Lovett wrote: > >> >> Then the community needs to make up it's mind because I have been >> criticized for making a wiki for a similar issue (SATA issues on >> ICH9(R)).... You do sound like Marie Antonetta. For the time >> being as far I can tell the consensus is to keep most things on >> mailing lists (not my choice). > > You missed the whole point there (a couple of times already :(), > > The point with that thread was that you were looking for the > solution of a ATA driver thingy etc, which does not need to have a > Wiki for it because you need to discuss with the clueful people out > there. Starting a totally new project with new foundations etc DOES > require such a Wiki because you can easily outline your ideas / > requirements there and allow you and others to participate to > generate code etc. > > As I stated a couple of times before (perhaps hiddenly), please try > to research a bit more and -read- what is being told. Then sleep a > day over the issue and THEN email the rest to see what they think; > you are quite ambitious, which is appreciated, or at least I think > that there should be room for ambition all the time, but you are > using it the wrong way, causing people to ignore you (high sound / > noise ratio) and there goes the ambition, "lost" in space. > > Dont do that to yourself or the project. That is one reason why I contacted Kip Macy privately so as to get a start on setting up a better infrastruct (since it is clear the project will go forward in some form or an other).... btw currently there are 4 people (including me) who want to be activally involved with helping on it - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVEee358R5LPuPvsRAnL7AJ4lvEA9P29vbLm/KA3dNoGqyt27QACg49xw Hs04X7b/14l933LQtnJlD4A= =MQJJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----