From nobody Fri Oct 22 17:53:02 2021 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5EA18064A4; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HbX4v75g4z3LjK; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1634925182; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=E+mock3xlNC9Tl8/vPiVCsbvUl7rNZ3wwvPcejBsjEA=; b=C3OuWPX3grRdhr9LRtarLd32KroFrw8Xux4/6ZN/BMIZkC7S1OgtH7ZCvtPdvpuj01k+YZ pVL6W3i6Y1EFYzbXU/OTsEE2K2+Y7F/yooFWvX7mE+LspCHNTOe4DWJbjdrKMK5wO1W6ND afoFiXjdN5AmWVsDCwuVo2YxP3Z8reo= Received: from amy (lfbn-idf2-1-644-191.w86-247.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.247.100.191]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 97c38981 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:53:02 +0200 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Gleb Smirnoff Cc: Ian Lepore , Alexey Dokuchaev , Warner Losh , src-committers , "" , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 225639e7db68 - main - vt: Disable bell by default Message-Id: <20211022195302.4470bc13ca02a35a3169e798@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20211020134237.17596440e1fabda5d40f6985@bidouilliste.com> <20211021080214.GB77338@zxy.spb.ru> <99e7aecf-9ab7-8b8f-ff30-b5fce3e031c2@FreeBSD.org> <2d9f9df5958cec23b11d6e23e0b20c236db44574.camel@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4HbX4v75g4z3LjK X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:40 -0700 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:59:28AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > I> On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 06:28 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > I> > > Our users aren't so unsophisticated as to be totally swayed by the > I> > > choice of wording. > I> > > I> > This is not how it works Warner, you don't first offer biased poll > I> > and then defend skewed results by appealing to observed ratio and > I> > how smart your target audience is. > I> > I> Do you really believe different words would change the result from 4:1 > I> against to some number in favor? Of course you don't, you're only > I> complaining because your opinion is VERY CLEARLY the minority one. > > I don't think unbiased wording would affect voting result if we did > the vote within developers@FreeBSD.org. But the vote with biased > wording was placed on.. hold my beer! ... on TWITTER, the most unbiased > platform in the world! So, Warner has 1280 followers and I would claim > that many of them are not FreeBSD users, and some probably doesn't > have idea what FreeBSD bell problem is. It was retweeted by 7 people, > some of whom has hundreds of followers. Given twitter algorithms, the > poll may show up even in feed of people who don't follow Warner or > retwitters directly. You know, some people love to express their opinion > on social media, so why not to click on the poll, to help those FreeBSD guys? > To sum up, we are asking semi-random set of people a question charged with > a correct answer. What would you expect? > > -- > Gleb Smirnoff Let's ask our community then : https://discord.com/channels/727023752348434432/757543661058654269/901166071078322267 -- Emmanuel Vadot