From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 5 15:28:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD85106564A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014EC8FC0A for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so6395943vbb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:28:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EtCRuvIXmLe16sdaowOW2+jewPy74YPyJcxh+vsd6MY=; b=ILWSfvlB0n/2+KdMzKbIOmvH91yaAzq4ivpofGG4NZyYDmJsVp/q5bLXZP2YKgA6eB T2vlSY7mPi4TZH047/HDsBisxQIQJLtBGzkbHLyRhx80NyqojPAC927BmY8lv03PEHZF L5ghH5PYqn6YTeWCUurr7FAJGoEDrb4jxbfl8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.117.65 with SMTP id kc1mr4942153vdb.66.1323098894108; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.172.240 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:28:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <441usj6oi0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <20111203.140334.74707074.sthaug@nethelp.no> <441usj6oi0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:28:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Evans To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:28:15 -0000 On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Tom Evans writes: > >> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon wrote: >>> CVS != csup. >>> >>> I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when >>> they really mean cvsup/csup. >> >> I wasn't going to jump onto this bikeshed, as CVS will not be going >> anywhere any time soon, I am sure. >> >> I use cvs, rather than csup. I use cvsup to fetch CVS archives to >> /home/ncvs, and check out ports from there, as described in >> development(7). >> >> If ports were no longer delivered via CVS, you may have had a point >> about removing CVS from base - but they are not. > > Max Khon was the one who posted the original message in the thread. > That message explicitly stated that moving ports and doc away from CVS > was a prerequisite for removing CVS from base. As far as I've noticed, > no one has challenged that. > > I'm trying to think of a way to fit the previous paragraph into the > bikeshed metaphor, but I'm coming up with nothing. > The bikeshed is discussing about how cvs will eventually be removed from base when there are known, unsolved, issues that block that happening. Removing CVS will be an emotive issue, there is no need to discuss it until appropriate, as every one (like me) will wade in saying that "x is good and must stay" and "x is bad and must die", and every colour of bike shed in between. Just look at the number of replies to this topic. It would be much better to concentrate on the other issues rather than animated discussion of something that cannot realistically happen for quite some time yet. Cheers Tom