From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 18 21:25:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8861B37B479 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22086; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:25:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001118221840.04652d80@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:25:09 -0700 To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: GPL, Jordan's article and Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <200011190213.eAJ2Dg608007@bg-tc-ppp815.monmouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:13 PM 11/18/2000, Bill Pechter wrote: >> It has to do with the big picture. The BSD community should not be dependent >> upon a group that seeks to snuff it out. It needs its own shells, its own >> compilers, its own tools. Both for its own sake and for the sake of users >> who would otherwise be locked into the FSF's software. >> >> - --Brett >> > >So write them instead of whining. Or get FreeBSD to build under another >compiler and ask for committers. I'd be glad to. Of course, I can't devote my life to doing it alone, so I'll need help. But with Jordan -- the nominal leader of FreeBSD -- actively advocating FSF software and dependency upon it, will that help be available? I'm concerned that Jordan's embrace of the FSF will be damaging not only from a PR standpoint but because it will cause those who follow him to make decisions that will further hurt the project. >Meanwhile, let's be glad there's other stuff under the BSD license and >get on with it. If current trends continue, there will be less and less under the BSD license as the FSF "blob" subsumes more and more utilities. FreeBSD already uses far too many -- everything from man to gzip to groff. Complacency will play right into the FSF's hands. >Brett -- I usually support you -- but this time it's too far for even >me. There's nothing at all "too far" about this. There's more and more GPLed code in each release of FreeBSD, and if we bury our heads in the sand the FSF will accomplish its goal of wiping us out. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message