From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 23 21:33:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1886D106566B for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246D8FC16 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:33:43 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [192.168.1.2] (169.sub-75-238-80.myvzw.com [75.238.80.169]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KTK00461ZVVXM80@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lawrence Sica In-reply-to: <4B0AF776.4000802@emailrob.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:33:31 -0500 Message-id: <62D9DE9E-1BC3-4B52-90CB-C30107A3FB44@mac.com> References: <200911200921.nAK9LKpf063202@lurza.secnetix.de> <4B06DD70.8030308@emailrob.com> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA30ED5BAF@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> <4B07451E.8020907@emailrob.com> <00029DC7-4B52-47AC-8EE7-0E4B94631A24@mac.com> <4B0AF776.4000802@emailrob.com> To: fbsd_chat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: lcd monitor manufacturer recommendation request X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:33:44 -0000 On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:58 PM, spellberg_robert wrote: > i thank you, sir. > > > > Lawrence Sica wrote: >> On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:40 PM, spellberg_robert wrote: >>> i thank you, sir, also. >>> >>> >>> >>> Person, Roderick wrote: >>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > You don't have to do anything. >>>>> >>>>> [ slow burn, then, sigh ] that's the problem with the world, today. >>>>> when people don't --have-- to do anything, people don't -- learn_how-- to do >>>>> anything. >>>>> oops, i digress. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You should also note that the refresh rate is pretty much >>>>>> irrelevant for LCD displays. While 85 Hz did make sense >>>>>> for CRT monitors in order to avoid flickering, that's not >>>>>> necessary with LCD monitors. They won't flicker with >>>>>> 60 Hz which is a very common refresh rate for LCD. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> this is useful to know. >>>>> while i --have-- seen some that claim a f_vert up to 85_cps, >>>>> 75 seems to be a popular top_end. >>>>> >>>> You could get an LCD monitor that only has the 15 pin connection, then you can >>>> choose refresh rate and play with modelines. At least on the Viewsonic LCD I have >>>> which is 5 years old I had to do that to get it working. That is if you really want to keep doing such things. >>> >>> >>> it isn't that i --want-- to keep doing this; it is that i --can-- do so, if i desire. >>> for my 500ps, i had set up 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960 and 1600x1200; all at 85. >>> once i had tweaked these to my satisfaction, i left them alone. >>> this was quite_a_few years ago. >>> about two weeks ago, i decided to try improving on the 1280x960; >>> this led to adding 1440x1080, which i like very much, now that i have used it for a_while. >>> >> An LCD is not like an CRT. You cannot mess with resolution and expect it to look good, or even readable in some cases. LCDs are meant to run at a native resolution and switching from them is not recommended in most cases. In fact if you want to tweak much then a LCD is not for you. You don't need to, and really should not, go outside manufacturer settings on an LCD. > > this thought was a real eye_opener for me. > i must have spent an hour thinking things over, > before reading any sub_sequent posts. > > i got to thinking about the operation of some lcd_televisions that are owned by friends. > this was the start of my paradigm_shift. > > > >>> you see, i am a hardware guy. >>> some fellows tweak gasoline engines. >>> i met a machinist who built a steam_locomotive at 1:8 scale [ i think it was a 4_8_4 ]. >>> i have a friend in the flower business [ roses ] who builds chairs out of wood. >>> if i had my druthers, >>> i'd be building small systems out of hcmos 8_bit single_chip_controllers and msi >>> [ lately, i have become intrigued by energy_conversion ]. >>> another way to while_away the time is to >>> build hf_band receivers and [ < 5_watt ] transmitters out of vacuum_tubes. >>> winding coils is --very-- therapeutic. >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> My recommendation is to go to a shop, look at several >>>>>> monitors and take the one you like best, irrespective >>>>>> of the manufacturer. Do *NOT* buy an LCD display that >>>>>> you haven't seen with your own eyes before. I'm serious. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> holy moses !!! >>>>> >>>>> you are reinforcing my long_held belief that lcd is a downgrade from crt. >>>> >> They are not downgrades, they are just different. There are pros and cons to each. Unless you are doing high end graphics work the main advantages of a CRT don't really apply. Things have changed quite a bit. >> --Larry > > yes, they have. > from what i am reading else_where, not for the better, though. > Depends on what you are reading. In most cases LCDs have caught up to a CRT. It's really a holy war for some, kind of silly in the face of advances. --Larry