From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 5 03:20:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B16DFED0; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 03:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C8BE1663; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 03:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p5DCBEDB7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.237.183]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s153K8vZ032387; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 03:20:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s153KRbc085810; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 04:20:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s153JBew016872; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 04:20:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201402050320.s153JBew016872@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "jcedmondson@edmolaw.com" Subject: Re: Flexfax / Hylafax 1993-1994 - authored by Sam Leffler, etc From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:07:20 EST." <689149359.13494.1391472440788.open-xchange@mailxchange.1and1.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 04:19:10 +0100 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:28:17 +0000 Cc: dinoex@freebsd.org, Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:20:52 -0000 Hi J. Curtis Edmondson cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org & others, "jcedmondson@edmolaw.com" wrote: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2014-February/255988.html > Tim and Matt, > > Thanks for the links. I am in the process of downloading and reviewing. You > guys have been a great help. I Julian H. Stacey ( jhs@freebsd.org --> jhs@berklix.com ) created /usr/ports/comms/hylafax/ for FreeBSD 1995, & was first maintainer. (Maintainer now is dinoex@FreeBSD.org cc'd FYI) Author of generic operating system neutral hylafax source: Sam Leffler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J_Leffler https://plus.google.com/116533070411840754940/posts (I bcc'd SJL as I dont know if his old addresses may bounce.) >From J. Curtis Edmondson earlier: > I am working on a patent litigation case where it appears the flexfax/hylafax > source from the 93-95 time frame may serve a prior art. I assume you want FreeBSD's copy of hylafax to serve as prior art to defeat some software patent claim, so I have researched what was published & in use when, so I can attest to if you want: > Would you > happen to have a copy of that source available and/or know someone who does? Yes - but MD5 verification of distfile fails. May or not be significant, I'm working on it, see below: FreeBSD SVN repository: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/comms/hylafax/Makefile?view=log&log_pagestart=100 Added Sun May 21 22:37:50 1995 UTC (18 years, 8 months ago) by jhs A new import based on Sam Leffler's Hylafax V3.0pl0. Flexfax is now obsolete. Prior to your enquiry I already had the following generic OS independent source distfiles: 4.11-RELEASE/hylafax/hylafax-4.2.0.tar.gz 6.4-RELEASE/hylafax-4.4.4.tar.gz 8.3-RELEASE/hylafax-6.0.5.tar.gz 10.0-RELEASE/hylafax-6.0.6.tar.gz 10.0-RELEASE/tkhylafax-3.2beta.tar.gz FreeBSD 4.11 release was released January, 2005, long after your 93-95 interest. For dates: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ FreeBSD 4.10 release (May, 2004) has ports/comms/hylafax/ (found with svn export file:///usr/svn/ports/tags/RELEASE_4_10_0 ) # Date created: 16 May 1995 # Whom: Julian Stacey # MAINTAINER= tdv94ped@cs.umu.se The archives of generic os-neutral hylafax is at ftp://ftp.hylafax.org/source/ I just dowloaded all in that directory except BETA -> testing, CVS, CVS.deprecated If we match MD5s in dated releases ports/comms/hylafax/distinfo file to distfiles from eg ftp://ftp.hylafax.org/source/ we can be sure what was used when by FreeBSD. (However do remember Sam Leffler will at times have published newer code than I was working on for the FreeBSD port). Earliest source version I see on hylafax site: ftp://ftp.hylafax.org/source/hylafax-4.1.1.tar.gz ftp://ftp.hylafax.org/old-releases/hylafax-4.0/source/hylafax-v4.0pl0-tar.gz >From further above I see I started with 3.0pl0 so distfile name was hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz I searched & fetched from ftp://ftp.carnet.hr/misc/fax/hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 jhs staff 1064756 Apr 25 1996 hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz MD5 (hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz) = aaa2ccf961e1a1fd5d8994f24520a2ab (See below, not expected MD5) Taking your 93-95 interest, & http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ 2.2.1 (April, 1997) Release Notes 2.2 (March, 1997) Announcement : Release Notes 2.1.7 (February, 1997) Announcement : Release Notes 2.1.6 (December, 1996) Announcement : Release Notes 2.1.5 (July, 1996) Announcement : Release Notes 2.1 (November, 1995) Announcement : Release Notes 2.0.5 (June, 1995) Announcement : Release Notes 2.0 (November, 1994) Announcement : Release Notes 1.1.5.1 (July, 1994) 1.1.5 Release Notes 1.1 (May, 1994) Release Notes 1.0 (November, 1993) To get distinfo files for MD5s to validate distfiles I did: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/ No tags for RELEASE_1 http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_2_0/ just Mk/ http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_2_2_1/comms/hylafax/ http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/comms/hylafax/distinfo?view=markup&pathrev=2369 Fri Oct 27 22:05:16 1995 UTC (18 years, 3 months ago) by pst File size: 132 byte(s) Update to 3.0pl1 Approved by: asami and jhs 1 MD5 (hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz) = 014ec8a64ea7493d26c50c61b5ef3111 2 MD5 (hylafax-v3.0pl0-patch01.gz) = ed7b8aa6a6ae5d2843624f86478a0f8c I am running an extract with svn export file:///usr/svn/ports to find if earlier tags exist - but output will be Big, results not available till tomorrow at earliest. (If someone on may know more about tag to use, please say. I built a CVS tree (from my cvs-cur.19300xEmpty.gz) & saw in /usr/cvs/ports/Makefile,v symbols ... RELEASE_2_2_1:1.30 RELEASE_2_2_2:1.33 ports_2_0:1.1.1.1 ports:1.1.1; & ran cvs -R export -r RELEASE_2_2_1 ports which produced ports/comms/hylafax/distinfo MD5 (hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz) = 014ec8a64ea7493d26c50c61b5ef3111 MD5 (hylafax-v3.0pl0-patch01.gz) = ed7b8aa6a6ae5d2843624f86478a0f8c Note this MD5 is Not the same as comes from ftp://ftp.carnet.hr/misc/fax/hylafax-v3.0pl0-tar.gz I am still running: cvs -R export -r ports_2_0 ports cvs -R export -r ports ports I am half through fetching: http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.0.5-RELEASE/cd1.iso http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.0.5-RELEASE/cd2.iso ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.1-RELEASE/cd1.iso ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.1-RELEASE/cd2.iso ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.1.5-RELEASE/cd1.iso ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/mirror/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/FreeBSD-2.1.5-RELEASE/cd2.iso which will have distinfo files, possibly even a distfile/ Possibly our send-pr patch/ bug log might comment on MD5 change, but http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=ports&severity=&priority=&class=&state=&sort=none&text=hylafax&responsible=&multitext=&originator=&closedtoo=on&release= but it doesn't go back before 1999, well after my first work & your interest in 1993-1995. Mail Lists: I might have mentioned a change of MD5 in mail lists, but if so havent looked: I created a hylafax mail list @freebsd.org I recall, but can't find trace of list on freebsd.org site, I recall it expired as low traffic. It no longer exists now, http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo it's maybe in archive on freebsd.org site somewhere. Our freebsd.org archive of our oldest mail list hackers@ only to go back to March 2003 (using the Mailman interface) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/ ports@ (where I probably posted to prior to commit) ditto March 2003 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/ However our other browse interface (when presumably we were using majordomo & not mailman) goes back earlier: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/1995/freebsd-hackers/ http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/1995/freebsd-ports/ http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=34164+0+archive/1995/freebsd-ports/19950514.freebsd-ports I wrote Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 22:30:45 +0200 To: asami@CS.Berkeley.EDU Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: hylafax ... It compiles ok, but there are permission problems, I had assumed I couldnt commit as the freeze was on, norw I realise that's src only as always, so I'll try to do it RSN. Julian S See also the Wayback machine of http://www.archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/*/ftp://ftp.hylafax.org -> https://web.archive.org/web/20050208003538/http://ftp.hylafax.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20000124003254/http://ftp.hylafax.org/download.html But that's web pages not an ftp archive. My remnant public directories re hylafax here (FWIW): http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/jhs/comms/hylafax.no_customise http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/src/gen/libexec/getty/main.c.hylafax.REL=ALL.diff The 2nd URL most probably has nothing of interest to defeating a patent claim, just listed for completeness from a FreeBSD perspective. I may have notes re. hylafax off line, I haven't looked. I can use CVS to explore the MD5 state more. It may help if you jcedmondson@edmolaw.com focus me more on a particular date. I hope this will help you defend against a software patent claim, please let me know if so, it would make my day, I really dislike software patents. Some results not yet in. Feel free to contact by list, email or phone. http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/contact/ Time zone is Europe, Do not call in European morning, see live world map: http://www.berklix.net/cgi-bin/date Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative.