From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 26 7:19:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postal.linkfast.net (postal.linkfast.net [208.160.105.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFD037B593 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grasshacker@linkfast.net) Received: from leviathan (p224.usr.linkfast.net [208.170.100.224]) by postal.linkfast.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E43E39B03 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <040a01bfc71d$616792e0$f864aad0@leviathan> From: "gh" To: Subject: Re: Why encourage stupid people to use *BSD WAS:Re: IE for FreeBSDPetition Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:19:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 25 May 2000, gh wrote: > > >Do you really want these people polluting the FreeBSD user base? > > An emphatic YES. That is the whole point of advocacy. This sort of > effetism is wrong. The entire community is full of MS users. Many people > on this list "brought me up" in the unix world. To these folks I am > grateful. > > >As I start thinking about having to support these stupid people for (Supreme > >Being, do save us) FreeBSD, I also begin thinking about having my toenails > >peeled off one by one along with tearing off my flesh layer by layer. > > I wonder what the world would be like if doctors said this. > > >If you ever have done Windows technical support, for any field, you know > >damn well that these people do not belong on FreeBSD. > > I have and you are still wrong. I have seen some very newbie folks come > through, self included. > > >Please, I beg you, keep FreeBSD smart. > > Indeed. For instance, it is not very smart to lambaste Josef Grosch. We > all use his code. > > The whole point of free software is that there is a community that > contributes to the cause. That includes inculcating new members to the > community. We dare not discriminate against anyone. If we do, we shall > loose that one thing that makes the community and the technology, the > people. > Thank you, good sir, for completely ignoring my statements. I said that we should not encourage the *worst* of *any* usergroup to use FreeBSD. I said specifically that I encouraged bringing people to FreeBSD, but not forcefully shoving the lowest denominator into the FreeBSD world. To further my point, almost everybody starts in the computing world in a Microsoft environment simply because Microsoft is so widely known and used for whatever reason, such as its psuedo-ease-of-use. That being as it is, the likelihood that a large number of reasonable people are using Microsoft is quite high and because of this reality, I say that we *should* bring these people to FreeBSD, I too, and one of these people. However, for those who are happy in a Microsoft world, for whatever reason (id est laziness, stupidity, ignorance, or any of the plethora of reasons). I apologize if either I was not clear enough in my first several e-mails or if you and others truly have missed my point. Either way, I hope it is clear by now. Dan > Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ > Jason Wells > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message