From nobody Tue Jun 4 07:42:50 2024 X-Original-To: dev-commits-ports-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VtjHh2WmVz5MlZt; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 07:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@toco-domains.de) Received: from mail.bounce-commerce.de (mail.bounce-commerce.de [176.9.89.59]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VtjHh0VSsz3xJ1; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 07:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@toco-domains.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [192.168.0.159] (ip-005-146-248-163.um05.pools.vodafone-ip.de [5.146.248.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: t.zuehlsdorff@bounce-commerce.de) by mail.bounce-commerce.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65B0337498; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:42:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:42:50 +0200 List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-all@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: git: 988da7290c99 - main - ./UPDATING: mention the python default version change To: Charlie Li , Baptiste Daroussin Cc: Joseph Mingrone , Ruslan Makhmatkhanov , ports-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org References: <202405291420.44TEKdBd073352@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <86frtu6rxz.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <8d5be29c-94a7-4edd-bc61-c50e8b0ff754@freebsd.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Torsten Zuehlsdorff In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.09 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.bounce-commerce.de X-Spam-Score: -0.09 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:176.9.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VtjHh0VSsz3xJ1 On 04.06.24 06:20, Charlie Li wrote: > Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> I am not saying that allowing concurrent version is a bad idea, but in >> that area >> php packaging does a better job, I have no idea what is supposed to >> make sense >> in the end, but the current situation is clearly unfriendly to any >> package >> manager. >> > I actually have this issue with explicitly installed PHP packages here too. Indeed. But after years of seeing FreeBSD usage parallel to various Linux Distributions and Windows Versions: i like the FreeBSD way best. While it involve stuff like pkg set (or a simple script like grep the pkg packages, do a search & replace and than do pkg delete + add), it is a consistent way you can also automate. PHP Updates are very smooth in comparison to other plattforms. Also it seems like a crazy "i can not believe this" fact, when we say, we have actually all supported PHP versions with just a simple "install it". No Third-Party-Repos, no compilation, no hacking. >> There is a reason why on most linux distros they do support only one >> major >> version of python for packaging and encourage users to use virtual env >> or alike >> for other versions, I am not saying we should do that, but we need to >> find >> something that is upgrade friendly and do not rely on hacks like pkg set. >> > virtualenvs are encouraged in the Python ecosystem regardless of any > operating system distribution considerations, but the ability to use > different Python interpreter/distribution versions still hinge on having > them and requisite packages available in the system. Indeed! Best, Torsten