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Date:      Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:26:15 -0700 (MST)
From:      "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org>
To:        wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl
Cc:        bright@mu.org, mckusick@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/coda coda_vnops.c src/sys/dev/ccd ccd.c src/sys/dev/md md.c src/sys/dev/vinum vinumdaemon.c vinuminterrupt.c vinumrequest.c vinumrevive.c src/sys/fs/hpfs hpfs_vnops.c src/sys/fs/msdosfs msdosfs_fat.c msdosfs_vnops.c ...
Message-ID:  <20020316.112615.113977724.imp@village.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020316105245.A19669@freebie.xs4all.nl>
References:  <20020315185427.GK4857@elvis.mu.org> <200203152325.g2FNPwL61201@harmony.village.org> <20020316105245.A19669@freebie.xs4all.nl>

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            Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl> writes:
: On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 04:25:58PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
: > In message <20020315185427.GK4857@elvis.mu.org> Alfred Perlstein writes:
: > : In case no one has said it (which I doubt) you rule. :)
: > 
: > daddr64_t is 9,444,732,965,739,290,427,392 bytes, or 9,444,732 PB (P
: > expressed in the SI units that disk makers use).  This is >> the
: > largest disk arrays today (by a factor of 10^8).  At a 20%/year growth
: > rate for disk sizes, that's 101 years before the largest disk arrays
: > get this big :-)
: 
: FWIW: the biggest RFP I ever saw was a customer who wanted us to supply 
: 1 PB in a single order. Which <clicketyclick> is approx 65 19" 42 racks
: at the moment. Soon to be half that number ;-)

Well, if the RFP is the biggest, then that reduces the life to only 88
years (since it is 10^7 times the size of the largest raid arrays
today :-).  In 88 years, at the 20% growth rate, instead of 160Gish
drives being the high end, you'll have 1486000000G (or ~1500P) drives
at the high end.

Of course this does make the assumption that a moore's-like law of
only 20%/year does apply (which is a doubling every 46 months or so).
Over the last 10 years was a bad assumption.  The largest drives in
early 1992 were about 2G, IIRC, and the largest drives in early 2002
are about 160G (someone will tell me of a bigger drive I'm sure :-), a
factor of 80 in 10 years, or 55%/year.  Moore's law (double every 18
months) is 58.74%/year[*] (if bc is to be trusted).  At 58.74%/year,
we're only 40 years away from this starting to be a problem. :-)

Warner

[*] bc -l
    1.58740106^6
    16.0000004857
    (4 doubling in 6 years is one doubling every 1.5 years)

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