From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 23 17:57:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A934E16A400; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (grnl-static-02-0046.dsl.iowatelecom.net [69.66.56.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554DA13C465; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3NHiMWc042286; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l3NHiLiT042285; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:21 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Gabor Kovesdan , doc@FreeBSD.org, World Wide Web Owner , webmaster@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20070423174421.GE40814@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <462A77FD.1060504@FreeBSD.org> <20070422103926.GA976@gothic.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ryJZkp9/svQ58syV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070422103926.GA976@gothic.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:22 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Subject: Re: RFC: putting our graphs onto the website X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:57:31 -0000 --ryJZkp9/svQ58syV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 12:39:26PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 10:45:49PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > as you probably know, we started to maintain some nice graphs about the= =20 > > mentor-mentee relationships between the project and I added one more=20 > > about the specific teams recently. If you haven't noticed these graphs,= =20 > > go and check them in src/share/misc. > >=20 > > As we have this nice stuff now, I think it would be nice to make them= =20 > > available for the public. I could have just put it into=20 > > people.freebsd.org to my place, but I think the official website is=20 > > better for this, since it is rebuilt regularly and get more attention. > >=20 > > I have a patch for building the graphs in www/en/gifs/Makefile, but it= =20 > > would need graphics/graphviz to be installed on www.FreeBSD.org=20 > > (webmaster CC'd) and be added to textproc/docproj (doceng CC'd). > > The patch is here: http://gabor.t-hosting.hu/patches/graphs.diff > > And the rendered version is here:=20 > > http://gabor.t-hosting.hu/data/organization.html > > >=20 > I'm not really happy with the fact we should add another dependency to > the textproc/docproj port. graphics/graphviz has a lot of heavy > dependencies. I'm not sure mirrors would be happy with these > requirements, don't forget that changing something to the build of the > www/ or doc/ sets has consequence outside of the FreeBSD.org network. > On another hand, there are already some equivalent systems to graphviz > in the current docproj port (I mean some "txt to graph" systems: > pstricks, groff, etc.), so why not using what is already available > instead of adding a new application? Given that docproj includes TeX it's dependency list, complaining about the weight of graphviz seems silly. There might be some value in creating a graphviz-lite slave port to remove the XPM and TK support, but otherwise it isn't all that bad. Generating these graphs by hand would require a huge amount of work everything anything changed. Unless you plan to do it, suggesting it pointless. > Regarding the graphs, I can understand the importance of the project > organization graph, but for the mentor-mentee one I doubt a lot of > people will really care of it. > The organization graph can be static, we don't need to say who compose > the teams since it's already detailed elsewhere. At least at this point this argument may have more merit. The mentor-mentee graphs are cools, but nearly impossible to read (since I don't have a 16k pixel wide monitor :). -- Brooks --ryJZkp9/svQ58syV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGLPB1XY6L6fI4GtQRAp+1AKCNaz/w0ouG5RdsVzjSQwm9fXGhLQCgxPoR Pc/i5ARcFWmweo0ualaolXw= =2I7F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ryJZkp9/svQ58syV--