From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 23 11:37:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shorin.ryu.com (shorin.ryu.com [192.67.63.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1645937B404 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ryu.com (wado.ryu.com [192.67.63.133]) by shorin.ryu.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28527 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:37:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C77EF30.2030001@ryu.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:36:16 -0600 From: "John R. S. Mascio" Reply-To: mascio@ryu.com Organization: Ryu Enterprises User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User unknown: Lie to Spammers? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >They don't. They ignore bounces. Most of the time they don't even >*receive* bounces, because they spoof their return paths and channel >their spam through open relays. > So true. A friend of mine uses Ricochet (http://www.vipul.net/ricochet/) to try to attack the problem. You save the email, including headers and it will send email to the admins of the chain of receiving machines that the email followed. The goal is to attempt to get spamers punted by the ISPs often enough that it is some pain for them as well. He's had some luck with it. YMMV. JRSM -- _ | John Raymond Stone Mascio _|_|_) | mascio@ryu.com (_|_| | 214.725.7518 | 972.240.5040 ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message