From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 29 21:23:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC70016A4CE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from melon.pingpong.net (82.milagro.bahnhof.net [195.178.168.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB5843D6D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:23:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from girgen@pingpong.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.pingpong.net [127.0.0.1]) by melon.pingpong.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575814AC32; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:23:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from melon.pingpong.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (melon.pingpong.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 78794-02; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:23:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from palle.girgensohn.se (1-2-8-5a.asp.sth.bostream.se [82.182.157.66]) by melon.pingpong.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035FF4AC2B; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:23:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:23:30 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn To: Brooks Davis Message-ID: <44633F1A12BF90A756A3AB0F@palle.girgensohn.se> In-Reply-To: <20041229210110.GA16903@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <05F0F09DEB66858D9B452FB8@palle.girgensohn.se> <20041229203601.GD10293@odin.ac.hmc.edu> <20041229210110.GA16903@odin.ac.hmc.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at pingpong.net cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to remote update 4.10 -> 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:23:35 -0000 --On onsdag, december 29, 2004 13.01.10 -0800 Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:49:10PM +0100, Palle Girgensohn wrote: >> >> >> --On onsdag, december 29, 2004 12.36.01 -0800 Brooks Davis >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 09:30:37PM +0100, Palle Girgensohn wrote: >> >> Has anyone managed to update a 4.10 system to 5.3 remotely, i.e. >> >> without console access, and without spare disk partitions? >> >> >> >> I have a bunch of 4.10 machines that are too far away for me to >> >> actually do the update hands on. I've tried it on a test machine, it >> >> fails half way through installworld, and really needs single user >> >> mode to succeed. The install procedure fails since it starts using >> >> the newly installed stuff, things like sh(1) and test(1), and they >> >> cannot find their libc.so.5, I guess... >> >> >> >> One idea I have is copying / and /usr to some other place and set >> >> ldconfig and PATH=some/other/place and when building and installing. >> >> Haven't tried it yet, thought I'd hear anyone on this list has a >> >> better suggestion? >> >> >> >> Optimally, there would a couple of gigs on a separate spare disk >> >> partition so I could just install everything there and use it upon >> >> reboot. Problem is, there is no such space. :( >> > >> > In general, my suggestion would be, don't do that. Do you really need >> > to upgrade? Remember, 4.11 is likely to be supported for security >> > upgrades into early 2006 so if your machines are working and you don't >> > really need the new functionality, I'd suggest avoiding an upgrade. >> >> Well, I need wide char support, as in iswlower and the likes. Maybe I >> could use some portability lib or similar...? Ideas? >> >> BTW, do you mean that 5.3 is not stable enough, or just that it is a >> nuisance to upgrade? While I agree that 4.10 is very stable, a lot of >> things have improved with 5.x... > > If you need the improved wide char support, then you will probably have > to upgrade. 5.3 is generally stable, but I personally think upgrading > for 4.x by any method other then a new install is a bad idea. It's > certaintly possiable, but not trivial. I believe the instructions in > UPDATING should work, but I've never tried them remotely. I've tried the UPDATING instructions, both locally and remotely (the latter failed ;-). But really, everything has to be reinstalled, ports and the lot, so a new install is probably the best way... Thanks for you input anyway! /Palle