From owner-freebsd-ports Tue Mar 31 22:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22039 for freebsd-ports-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:26:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22033 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15116; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Bruce Albrecht cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: One more: emulators/xzx In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:42:43 CST." <199804010442.WAA07985@zuhause.mn.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: <15112.891411940@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Maybe so, Jordan, but as someone who is regularly recognized as a > spokesman for the FreeBSD core team, I consider it less than > professional for you to use profanity when other phrases will do, Perhaps so, but then if I was a traditional grey-striped suit type then I probably wouldn't even BE here, so you should at least take context into account. > report, even if the person had sent numerous bogus reports. I guess > that in a volunteer organization, it's hard to get reprimanded by > superiors, or fired. No, it's far easier just to walk away and quit, which is why we try not to be too hard on people for things like this. As I said before, personal attacks are right out, but if someone wants to use the occasional four-letter word in this channel then I don't think it quite constitutes grounds for writing indignant letters to Miss Manners. > On a related subject, I'm also annoyed with the way some rugrats camp > in the #FreeBSD IRC channel and spend most of their time talking about > their sex lives, or lack thereof (if one excludes onanism). This, > too, provides a poor image of FreeBSD to someone who is trying to > learn more about FreeBSD. Erm... Your point being? We should appoint IRC police, perhaps, to make sure that discussion in such anarchistic forums follows more acceptable lines? One hardly requires the cognitive abilities of Albert Einstein to know that such a scheme would work not at all, even if someone foolish enough to try to administer IRC could be found. > I think it takes a lot of postive PR to undo the damage created with > casual profanity used here and on IRC, especially when we're trying to > convince others that FreeBSD is a better alternative to commercial > operating systems. My advice is to simply live with it and learn how and where freeware or other volunteer projects diverge from their more staid corporate brethren. That and perhaps also learn which Internet forums are simply unregulable and foolish to complain about. IRC, as an example, is and has been a CESSPOOL for years, and if you're there looking for quality information then you're already very much in the wrong place and should leave quickly. FreeBSD *is* a better alternative to many commercial operating systems, but its merits are more properly weighed on technical grounds rather than the extremely diverse views and commentary of its developers (or, for that matter, users). Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message