From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 22 18:14:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC76737B405 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8921D43F13 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0N2ENrC084221 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:14:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0N2EM2c084220 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:14:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:14:16 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting started as an ISP Message-ID: <20030123021416.GA84093@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <20030123012633.GA83391@wjv.com> <20030122185528.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030122185528.L52063-100000@skywalker.rogness.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While Nick Rogness was trying to figure out why data written to /dev/null on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 19:00 was not readable, he gave up and decided to grace us with this: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Bill Vermillion wrote: > [SNIP] > > > Web/FTP and Email service are relatively simple to provide to > > > customers. I recommend outsourcing News to some provider as it > > > is cumbersome and expensive to build/run/operate. > > That is quite an understatement. Going over some specs with > > an engineer in a Level 3 facility a couple of weeks ago he > > said a full news feed runs about 78Mbits/second. Even if was > > of by an order of magnitude that would come to 60GB day and > > I've heard almost a year ago it's been well over 100GB day, > > so his 600GB figure is not that far off. > Yeh, full news feeds require megabandwidth and require far > to much administrative work for the number of people that > actually use it :-) GigaNews, SuperNews, etc charge on a > number of connections to their news service. This amount is > not that bad considering the amount of crud you have to go > through to manage a news feed. I used to run a full news feed - but when it got to 100MB a day I dropped alt and things halved. That WAS years ago. It was all dialup UUCP then too - and I had about 40 systems I fed. Being spoiled by having news local I still run cnews on my own machine and use suck to get the news from from the provider the telephone company who provides my DSL uses. What was really nice in 'The Olden Dayze' was that since it was not as easy to connect to the 'net then, the signal/noise ratio in postings was much much better. Right now I also manage the technical side a very small niche market ISP, no dialup, commercial accounts only. And no $20/month web accounts. Not making much money but we've been alive for 3 years as the smallest customer in a Level 3 colo while others hundreds of times larger have disappeared. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message