From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 26 22:11:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214E437B40A for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ATLANTA.threespace.com ([24.21.224.204]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010927051153.ICLF13121.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@ATLANTA.threespace.com> for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:11:53 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010927000022.017ede48@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:11:43 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror In-Reply-To: <20010926124042.B1370@lpt.ens.fr> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010926023654.022caaa8@threespace.com> <3BAC3644.1CB0C626@mindspring.com> <3BAD1FAE.2F3D40F5@mindspring.com> <20010923011557.B60374@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <015e01c143c8$c93505a0$89941bd8@speakeasy.net> <015d01c14519$80553010$3309f540@bigsky> <3BB0CA62.B1F189A9@mindspring.com> <20010925205128.A70023@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010926023654.022caaa8@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well based on this I suppose your imagination and mine are about on par, because you haven't really proposed anything that I haven't already thought of. And I assume that our leaders are probably well aware of the same. And I suppose that's the difference in our lines of thought. Your fears are based on the notion that the U.S. is eventually going to employ some heavy-handed, self-serving tactics that will destroy Afghanistan if not the whole region. And though I don't believe your fears are unfounded, I, on the other hand, am encouraged by the restraint and use of diplomatic channels to date. (15.5 counter-strike free days and counting.) I think that #1 (below) will happen in due time; I haven't seen any indication that the U.S. has asked for any other nations troops/arms in #2 (though some have been offered by other nations); and I think the American public would agree with #3. (These people who serve in the military do have families that want them home.) I'm just giving a little more credit to our leaders right now than you are, I suppose. But only time will tell at this point. --Chip Morton At 06:40 AM 9/26/2001, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >OK, so you can't imagine any other form of action than what I described. >Hopefully the people making the war plans have better imaginations. > >How about this (it probably won't please everyone still, but it will >make a big difference from past history and won't offend too many >people either). > >1. Publish the proof you (the US) claim to have, against Bin > Laden/Taleban, as justification for an attack. Don't just keep saying > "We know he's guilty but we're not going to tell you why." > >2. Attack with your own troops. Don't use and arm local gunmen and > militia. Don't take part in civil wars. Just do what you want to do, > no more. > >3. After it is all done and you have got bin Laden and his > associates, *withdraw*. Don't hang around where you aren't wanted. > Don't try and support some unpopular puppet regime thinking it is in > your own interests. It's not. And while you're about it, withdraw > from all the other military installations in the middle east and > around the world, too. Do that right now, it will be viewed very > positively and bin Laden's major grudge against the US will be gone. > >Yes, this will be a long process. Anything will be a long process, >except carpet bombing and flattening the whole country. (I hope >that's not what you want.) Yes, it will mean lives of American >soldiers. Well, I happen to think the lives of a few hundred American >soldiers aren't more valuable than the lives of a few hundred thousand >Afghan civilians. Besides, the soldiers chose that life; the >civilians didn't. > >- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message