From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 05:48:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7326D16A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:48:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC75943D5F for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:48:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k3rn3lpanic@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so749305wra for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OvnDTtYU0+8gT2jkZX6+OVYrthqwBZHlGCNjufmIQk/Y/uutWpHfzUOeG6K0LywMxrNIJAuX0GpTE7O/AIrPVMp/GP5aMZx4Cz4pDWsc3r09b/Nmg47/o5PsNdnnAP/tJunGgHY1dh3B3Y6anFNZqH1Wkwq1TL+zoA5B1IuUigk= Received: by 10.54.33.39 with SMTP id g39mr1546826wrg; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.72.15 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <87f5270b05042822487e8f0ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:48:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrik_G=FCnther?= To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <4271602E.5030707@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050428154859.GA16433@mail.netspace.net.au> <20050428160414.GA21634@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <20050428160706.GA2033@mail.netspace.net.au> <20050428164730.GB34380@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20050428165709.GA76059@energistic.com> <4271602E.5030707@mac.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:21:47 +0000 cc: Jonathan Gray cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: incorrect statement on www page X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulrik_G=FCnther?= List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:48:40 -0000 I agree with that as well. The components named above can be considered as third-party software and have, as such, nothing to do with the "real" operating system. If you want to be really specific, write something like "FreeBSD comes with complete sourcecode, but the files xyz.c, abc.h, ahs.o,... are missing ;) Why does anyone have a problem with those binary components? I think it is okay if vendors invested lots of money into developing their products and do not want anyone to know how the stuff really works... Of course, Open Source drivers would be better, but this is a good consent. Have a nice day anyway, Ulrik On 4/29/05, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Steve Ames wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 09:47:30AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> You need to specify the (lots of stuff) better. > >> Because the following are found on my system. > >> > >>>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/hptmv/i386-elf.raid.= o.uu > >>>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nve= netlib.o.bz2.uu > > > > Sure. But they aren't source. This is rather a sad discussion as 3rd pa= rty > > drivers really aren't part of the OS. >=20 > Agreed. Third-party drivers under a proprietary license are not really p= art > of FreeBSD, although, if the license permits, FreeBSD can include the bin= ary > objects into CVS and/or put them into the .ISO images for CDs. Other > proprietary drivers have more onerous restrictions, and are handled via p= orts. >=20 > The current approach is more convenient for users, and I don't suggest > changing that. However, I would not be unhappy if the documentation was > clarified, or if the HPT RAID driver was moved from src/sys/dev/ to > src/sys/contrib/dev/ to clearly indicate that it is contributed by a thir= d party. >=20 > -- > -Chuck >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >