From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Oct 3 18:54:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B629915366 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA51227; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:23:41 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 release Message-ID: <19991004112341.E40186@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991004103426.Z40186@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Kenneth Wayne Culver on Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 09:51:47PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 3 October 1999 at 21:51:47 -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Sunday, 3 October 1999 at 10:06:52 -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: >>> On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday, 2 October 1999 at 7:45:26 -0400, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 1 October 1999 at 7:11:12 +0000, Sabre wrote: >>>>>>>> The questions was "What can I expect from 4.0-RELEASE?" The answer is: >>>>>>>> 1) Installation bugs. x.0 releases are always a test of grit. :-) >>>>>>>> 2) A tight, small kernel with hot loadable module support. >>>>>>>> 3) Vastly improved NFS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ya, better NFS! Actually, I'm quite happy with the NFS stuff I have now >>>>>>> setup (got the permissions all setup and everything is running great :) >>>>>>> The hot loadable kernel is going to ROCK! >>>>>> >>>>>> The kernel won't be hot loadable, you'll just be able to load >>>>>> modules. In fact, you can do that with 3.3, so this isn't specific to >>>>>> 4.0. >>>>> >>>>> I was under the impression, (maybe I'm wrong here) that 4.0-RELEASE will >>>>> have nearly all the drivers configurable to run as modules or compiled >>>>> into the kernel. >>>> >>>> Well, there isn't much alternative, and that's the way it is with >>>> 3.3-RELEASE. There will be relatively few differences in 4.0, though >>>> some programs will attempt to load a module if they find it isn't in >>>> the kernel. >>> >>> I just thought it would be cool maybe to have modules for the sound driver >>> too. And maybe for the scsi drivers. I mean to give those linux people >>> another reason to switch. (If we make this an option, many people will >>> switch from linux, A lot of my friends wouldn't switch until I told them >>> that FreeBSD has KLDs, which are very similar to linux kernel modules) >> >> I'm a fan of klds, but I don't think they're that important, and they >> pose some interesting problems, which Linux hasn't attempted to >> solve. I don't expect the SCSI driver to be modularized in the near >> future, but it's possible that sound would be. > > Hmm, well, I just thought it was cool to dynamically load drivers, and > unload them when you no longer need them. And I thought it was even cooler > with actual devices, instead of filesystems and such. I don't know that > I've heard too many of the problems before, but I want to cut my kernel > size down, it's getting up there (1.5 MB) At the end of every message I send to -questions, I write: When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html How likely are you to unload a SCSI driver? In practice, unloading modules has far-reaching effects, and you'll find that, once you've loaded them, most of them are there to stay. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message