From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 8 21:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D4816A424; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AA543D5E; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48LE23J050451; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k48LE2Wq050450; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:14:02 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Pav Lucistnik Message-ID: <20060508211402.GB49575@thought.org> References: <20060508200926.GA6005@daemons.gr> <1147119806.18944.59.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1147119806.18944.59.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 19++ years of service to the Unix community Cc: Sideris Michael , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports structure and improvement suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:14:10 -0000 On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 10:23:26PM +0200, Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Sideris Michael pí?e v po 08. 05. 2006 v 23:09 +0300: > > > Also, it would be nice to include tools like portupgrade, not > > portupgrade, in the base system. > > Yes, it would be nice. You're going to write it? It must be in shell > or in C. Expecting patches. > ... . > > The conclusion is: the code will not write by itself. > > Nice. > > It should not be necessary once we have OPTIONS everywhere, but, what > about a script that would emulate Gentoo's emerge -pv ? That would rock. > This is likely to start a flame war, or at least a spit-ball fight. I hope not.... Some months ago after using RedHat's update stuff, a few people seemed a bit upset at my enthusiasm. Since then RH got greedy and stopped their free or cheapware approach and I eventually found the next best altrnative to FBSD: Ubuntu. Among their ``idiotware'' apps is a GUI front end to their apt-get stuff. In 11 months of use, I've managened to keep 2 Ubuntu systems current with a few mouseclicks a month. Nutshell, is there a way of using this approach? If not, is there a way of perl- or /bin/sh- or /bin/ch- bundling portupgrade with pkgdb, and other upgrade programs to get something more rational working? Most of the times that portupgrade screws up, it is due to a build failure. Sometimes it's easy to figure out why the build failed; when it is a ./configure snafu, it's always hours of time backtracing. Time N failed builds. ...Too much. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix