From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 8 14:28:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DAA1528D; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.213]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAC2CB3; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:27:54 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA65020; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:16:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:16:29 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Nik Clayton Cc: Brett Glass , Rod Taylor , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for the actual proposal... Message-ID: <19990908231629.G64229@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <4.2.0.58.19990907215517.047c9880@localhost> <99090807163506.00470@a11.idiotswitch.org> <4.2.0.58.19990908091226.047c96f0@localhost> <19990908194548.A89429@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <19990908194548.A89429@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org) [990908 21:04]: >Brett, > >I think this is where the problem is: > >On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 09:32:27AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >> is that FreeBSD is lacking in good memes, which are more important than good >> code. > >On a very fundamental level, I think a lot of the FreeBSD developers (note, >not necessarily the users) disagree very strongly with that statement. I >doubt that you can change their minds. Even the suggestion that _they_ should amend their ways in favor of marketing brings us closer to the point which is yon average microsoft like shoppe. And that's one thing about 98% of the developers around the lists loathe. Users may be fun, we appeal to them of course, but let's not forget the developers do the actual work which makes users want the OS. Changing or otherwise impending the developers leads to the obvious... -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best There is such a thing as a man being too proud to fight. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message