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Date:      Mon, 17 Feb 1997 13:42:17 +1030 (CST)
From:      Michael Smith <msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
To:        cmott@srv.net (Charles Mott)
Cc:        msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Countering stack overflow
Message-ID:  <199702170312.NAA07248@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.91.970216194631.1548A-100000@darkstar> from Charles Mott at "Feb 16, 97 07:55:12 pm"

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Charles Mott stands accused of saying:
> 
> My understanding is that the overflow attack must have an approximate 
> idea (within a few kilobytes) of how to modify the return address.  It 
> has to know the absolute address of the code which is dumped in the 
> overflow area of the stack.  A few kilobytes of no-ops are added so the 
> modified return address can have a little slop.

Ah, I'm with you now, sorry.  Unless the domain of the randomness was
large, this might not be more than a minor impediment, but it'd certainly
slow some things down.

Is the plan to pad the stack with unmapped pages, or to actually try to
relocate the stack?

You could start by modifying the definition of USRSTACK in
i386/include/vmparam.h and see if the kernel still runs (I suspect
some subtle problems with assumptions about the adjacency of the user
stack and the per-process kernel stack per the comment in locore.s).

Bear in mind, though, that stack overruns smashing the return address 
are only one of a family of hole sources; I think that the audit process
(find the holes and fix them for good) is a better long-term solution.

> Charles Mott

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