From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 23:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC8F16A4E0 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pedro@ambientworks.net) Received: from jp.animata.net (jp.animata.net [220.110.80.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908EA43D4C for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:47:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pedro@ambientworks.net) Received: from jp.animata.net (pedro@localhost.animata.net [127.0.0.1]) by jp.animata.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7VNlh7P018592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:47:43 +1000 (EST) Received: (from pedro@localhost) by jp.animata.net (8.13.6/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VNlhHv006682; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:47:43 -0300 (GMT) X-Authentication-Warning: jp.animata.net: pedro set sender to pedro@ambientworks.net using -f Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:47:42 -0300 From: Pedro Martelletto To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060831234742.GD15085@jp.animata.net> References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> <98f5a8830608301731s2b0663e3g94b0bd32f8a06a78@mail.gmail.com> <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <20060831184715.B82634@hub.org> <20060831223543.GC15085@jp.animata.net> <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 220.110.80.87 Cc: misc@openbsd.org, Harpalus a Como , "Constantine A. Murenin" , Thorsten Glaser , netbsd-users@netbsd.org, miros-discuss@mirbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:47:50 -0000 On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:01:49PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > In a perfect world, they all would ... this is not a perfect world, it is > one dominated by Linux or Microsoft ... I use Adaptec drivers on 3 of my > servers, because, in 4.x, they were rock solid ... in 6.x, they have a > problem ... I'd like to be able to go out and upgrade those servers to a > vendor that provides "documentation", but its a cost I can't afford at > this time ... so, should I then switch to Linux because they do welcome > 'vendor written drivers'? Rhetorical question, since I do not consider > switching to Linux an option ... instead, I'm trying to do something to > help *BSD advocates promote *BSD to those vendors (see > http://www.bsdstats.org) by showing them that we aren't just a 'hobbiest > operating system' ... what my point is, though, is if we aren't willing to > accept 'vendor written drivers', then it is *we* that are limiting our > growth but limiting what hardware we can run stably on ... A 'hobbiest' operating system is one which makes no demands, accepting whatever the vendors want it to. And it's not a matter of promoting *BSD to the vendors. It's a matter of vendors promoting their products by providing clear, concise documentation, demonstrating the quality and correctness of their products. We should not wait for a perfect world to make correct decisions. -p.