From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 3 15:12:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E1B15D6E39 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09FDF77BDB for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: sendmail Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:11:53 -0600 References: <20190630092535.7913d305.freebsd@edvax.de> <957EE871-6906-4424-8895-826B517AF581@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3564) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 09FDF77BDB X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.622,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.27)[ip: (-0.93), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.32), asn: 209(-0.03), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.848,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 15:12:03 -0000 On 3 Jul 2019, at 00:47, Roderick wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, @lbutlr wrote: >> I ran screaming from sendmail. If it wasn=E2=80=99t for postfix I = would have >> abandoned running a mail server, no way was I going to dive back into >> sendmail. >=20 > Perhaps you should consider if running a mail server is for you. Oh sure, now you tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bit late, being well over 20 = years in. But seriously, just because someone doesn=E2=80=99t use the tool you = like doesn=E2=80=99t mean their choice is inferior. A whole hell of a = lot of servers use postfix, and you are not qualified to denigrate = people who make that choice just because it isn=E2=80=99t the choice you = like. You like opaque configuration files that punish the admin, fine, you be = you. Don=E2=80=99t tell me I should be like you though. Hm.. I should update that to over 25 years. Sigh. > sendmail is not that bad I disagree. I *hated* sendmail, and most especially trying to parse the = documentation and configurations. Maybe the docs have gotten better, but = the configuration itself is still opaque to the point of making perl = look human-readable and kid-friendly. /etc/mail/freebsd.cf > R<$+> <$*> <$- $-> <$*> $: <$(access $4:$1 $: ? $)> <$1> <$2> = <$3 $4> <$5> > R <$+> <$*> <+ $-> <$*> $: <$(access $1 $: ? $)> <$1> <$2> <+ = $3> <$4> > R <$+ + $* @> <$*> <$- $-> <$*> > $: <$(access $5:$1+*@ $: ? $)> <$1+$2@> <$3> = <$4 $5> <$6> Yep, that=E2=80=99s about what I remember. No thanks.