From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 10 22:21:58 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D86310BE53B for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7C974652 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.106.107]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LkGC3-1fYoz81Et9-00cONX; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:21:49 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.106.107]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LkGC3-1fYoz81Et9-00cONX; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:21:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:21:48 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mayuresh Kathe Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd : personal mailing system : setup : at wits end Message-Id: <20181011002148.d07244a1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20181010111127.pcid2wfesudc7tug@v520.kathe.in> References: <20181010111127.pcid2wfesudc7tug@v520.kathe.in> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9mLrJEhu/1giqeJBPhuar3XwVtbwo0d3vqDsJ/WvYIG/UaeviCk twKEJutkMxuUczNuaXKiRtVBKSXgYO9jXPoRUc59N+xCbdb5qWFlUychyU3K5VdiHy7xk0D BJ4aECU3EGOUHhKbDq1cGl3eI6yz4EDOKBZ/6LkBAa/7Y5FaoG+HNFt1LoZHzfQhA+Bticc 8LQgFqQEW8uLtCxEJX8jA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:CkqXzHXgcc4=:AlCDl/d9hx0fkqZJmSqPgE F0GYENkfiYEoyjDQiPRZqg8VGHjgVdT2rzr4jpsIAAG9qp9cgMQLFwCm4HZkD/IWkV1Q4cby2 s+8ZyS3BfXgYKwxmrQfM2xh0jU5/CgCnq8srEtXNU5moprxfMNO2XiAFbEVaQq/UpA5u37Enb FIgayrEKEXM44uwg5vgfNCd7V0D+1RO+Z000W7ZyLc7HPVe7uCQjs8m1Mc4sFlLksFu+oiZyl YvWEIsYH0K8zJtkCodOb4JNoh33Dghds9Jp1wzeqpthNaLsQUrLhhUfXVTCJLzEpccA/xCyrd IyWH5vCcYq/pdqGhWG53+srG8Xqsn/u030lciDJtJCIJQ0UbxzPRBag3PN/gIMlRRpARrT4Q/ J7PJ740PAKdK05f4LCZN11q2lFgvQRsuaIpe0poIcpKvZt8PcLON2AuJuFMQDQJtaQGb1Mfhu MZcPZAuJFmpTf/K4IKZbk+LTYBYNPCOFM0O4Y9AWzpAFldTB61JBdOvnppa4ur6i2WwxDYpjV Q5s6Q4TsoJ3XQaElOk+96P2HqBP87prC17gmuR+RFbkAQ8Gc0iJF8BH/PBLlKluYMIFa/Csfg 2+i3Y2OcBZy3f1Kl/Mpelb2GalbStF1GJhKr87UiWtZCZtf1WfClRUyviqgH6rU0Jl9dSE4SE TN+bvRD0QqjtCqrhb7l5C27YJfXmTJt+mc1jDUIIXdxxuYmyHT5r1XPAnpXP7t+m9l0aGJpaw qs4c3YCCtjScjPha X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:21:58 -0000 On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:41:28 +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > okay, so i have spent the past 3 days trying to setup a personal mailing > system under freebsd 11.2. > > i have grown to hate the stateful nature of "mutt" and relish the fond > memories of "MH". > > but, i have been unable to find material about how to setup a MH based > mailing system for personal use, for that matter, i have been unable to > locate a package for MH, is it listed under a different name like > heirloom or something? MH is just a way of storing mail messages and mailboxes. It's an alternative to classic mbox, and the conceptual origin of MailDir (often considered today's standard). MH mail storage, just like mbox, can be utilized on the server as well as on the client. For example, my MUA Sylpheed uses MH for locally storing messages, while the mail subsystem (sendmail) on my home PC uses mbox. As you can see, they can co-exist. It is even possible to use two different MUAs which operate on the same local mail storage, given they both use the same format. If I remember correctly, this was possible in the past with early versions of Thunderbird, in combination with mutt (or was it pine?), not sure. The big difference is this: | mbox format | MH format -------------------+---------------------+------------ one message is ... | a portion of a file | a file a mailbox is ... | a file | a directory The rules of the MH format basically apply to the MailDir format as well. As you can see, both concepts have advantages and disadvantages. > could someone please help me understand the nitty-grities of getting a > personal mail system setup under freebsd? Can you be more precise about what "mail system" should include for you? The term itself is too broad. A "mail system" could be one, several, or all of those: mail transfer agent - MTA (transmits to other servers) mail delivery agent - MDA (delivers to local boxes) mail user agent - MUA ("mail program" for the user) Basically, the following concepts can be involved: SMTP (send messages to servers or accept them) POP3 (hand over messages to MUA) IMAP (let MUA remotely manipulate messages on server) There are also additional components, such as a web interface, as a replacement for a MUA stand-alone program, or a spam filter, or a "sieve" implemented in the MDA... Note that the descriptions in parentheses are highly oversimplified, as anyone who deals with mail systems (in its broadest meaning) can tell you. ;-) As you initially mentioned "personal mailing system", do you wish to run your own server for receiving messages, or do you only want a means to get your messages from storage elsewhere, and have some specific kind of access to them? Do you think fetchmail + SHH + pine could be such a combination? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...