From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 4 15:26:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rain.macguire.net (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-125.oz.net [216.39.144.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C6137B496 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from roo@localhost) by rain.macguire.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g34NQFa05876; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roo) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:26:15 -0800 From: Benjamin Krueger To: irado Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, pjklist@ekahuna.com Subject: Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy Message-ID: <20020404152615.F2470@rain.macguire.net> References: <3cacebac.f8c.1804289383@subdimension.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3cacebac.f8c.1804289383@subdimension.com>; from irado@subdimension.com on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 12:11:24AM +0000 X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * irado (irado@subdimension.com) [020404 15:11]: > > Poorly implemented and arbitrary "anti-spam" blocking is > worse than > > none at all, and we will continue to see innocent people > getting > > unnecessarily inconvenienced as a result. > > > > Meanwhile, if messages like the following are any > indication, these > > "anti-spam" measures aren't even particularly effective > for their > > primary purpose. > > > > > > [sent to questions@freebsd.org] > > > >>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 06:30:34 -0600 > >>From: "Phongsin Ch" > >>Subject: Get more money by e-commerce business . > >> > > > > > > > cool.. very cool. I am being upset by these 'anti-spam' > cause that I am obliged to use my webmail account to deliver > posts to the list, which is boring. > > BTW, will somebody realy take care on this?? If the spam filtering that the lists implement are not to your liking, perhaps you can volunteer to help maintain better ones? Filtering is not a perfect science. It isn't even close. I am told that the FreeBSD mailing lists are some of the largest active lists on the internet. I don't have any statistics to quote, but if this is true, I would say that 1 spam per day out of nearly a hundred valid posts is an excellent record. We usually don't even get that. Calling the filters poor and abritrary is unfair at best, and ignorant at worst. The filters that the FreeBSD mailing lists use are common, and found in lists across the internet. If you run a well maintained mail host, you shouldn't have problems. If you're forced to use a mail host which breaks some internet curtosies, is part of a banned netblock, or otherwise misbehaves, I'm very sorry but this is how the internet works (or doesn't work). Petition your provider for better mail service, or help to clean up the dirty relays in your netblock. Finally, the mailing lists are free resources, like everything else here. They are maintained by volunteers, and as such are not a right. Appreciate what we do have, and help to improve it, rather than bitching about a free resource that somebody else isn't keeping up to your standards. =) -------- Benjamin Krueger "Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about." - Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message