From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 23:12:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AFD1065670 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31248FC0A for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QlUJq-0004ZH-Uh for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:12:14 +0200 Received: from 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru ([90.188.88.208]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:12:14 +0200 Received: from vadim_nuclight by 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:12:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: Vadim Goncharov Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Nuclear Lightning @ Tomsk, TPU AVTF Hostel Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.88.188.90.adsl.tomsknet.ru X-Comment-To: Freddie Cash User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (FreeBSD) Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:12:17 -0000 Hi Freddie Cash! On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700; Freddie Cash wrote about 'Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.': >> 3) I see no "post-install" uses on the new one. Sysinstall could be used > on an up-and-running system to do everything from adding a user to changing > a nameserver and more. > Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a > Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made > a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a system. > Usually the first time someone mentions they use it for post-install > configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing that! > An os installer should do just that: install the os and nothing else. No. That's wrong. An installer should make a usable system. While using sysinstall for configuration multiple times made a mess, it is still needed to make configuration the _first time_ - and it really did, without any mess. You've got a working keyboard, TTY, network, users/passwords, etc. - before reboot. This is something which must be intuitive for a new user, even if it is used only one time in the system's life (at the installation). Cutting it - is a regression. -- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadim_nuclight@mail.ru [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight]