From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 09:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03878 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03873 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06814; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:11:58 +0100 (CET) To: Jonathan Smith cc: Brian Feldman , Matt Curtin , sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:30:49 GMT." Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:11:58 +0100 Message-ID: <6812.915297118@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Jonathan Smi th writes: > >On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message , Brian Feldman write >> s: >> >> I'm not even worried about Tue Jan 19 04:14:07 CET 2038, because >> I'll be busy getting a good nights sleep before the day before my >> 72nd birthday, and I think anybody who is worried about it at this >> point need a better grip on reality and history. >> > >Look, in 1972, they never thought we'd run out of seconds. In the past >decade, no one ever thought we'd hit year 2k. With the exception of the >Mac people. Deal with it _now_ before the Y2038 Emergency is upon us and >the world is freaking out over it. Perhaps an introduction of a 64 bit >time, or larger under a different name, and have BSD start working over >towards the new name now and deprecating the old time variable? I don't >know the best way to do it, but if you shrug it off now, you will be doing >_exactly_ what has been done before by programmers we want to strangle >now. I don't shrug it off, I point out that the R1 was a hot iron 38 years before Y2K, so we're likely to see at least half as much (Moors law predicts far more) development in the 38 years after Y2k before 2038 becomes a problem. It's called perspective. Y2K is about bad assumptions, 2038 is about good assumptions needing change, as predicted, in plenty of time before the problem. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message