From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 21 19:37:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BB8F0A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779F78FC08 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cpsps-ews28.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.194]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:37:02 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.5]) by cpsps-ews28.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:37:02 +0100 Received: from sjakie.klop.ws ([212.182.167.131]) by CPSMTPM-TLF102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:37:39 +0100 Received: from 212-182-167-131.ip.telfort.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sjakie.klop.ws (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546F9493 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:37:39 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Increasing the DMESG buffer.... References: <50ACA59D.3080809@digiware.nl> <20121121101411.GG4535@server.rulingia.com> <50ACD522.7000706@digiware.nl> <50ACEE5B.8000901@FreeBSD.org> <50ACF891.4050105@digiware.nl> <1353513692.69940.7.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <50ACFC6C.8070506@FreeBSD.org> <20121122040251.G21191@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <50AD0E82.3070706@digiware.nl> <20121121194142.8c4bf7d1977f13801a021ccc@getmail.no> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Ronald Klop" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20121121194142.8c4bf7d1977f13801a021ccc@getmail.no> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.10 (FreeBSD) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2012 19:37:39.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAA5B3E0:01CDC81F] X-RcptDomain: freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:37:48 -0000 On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:41:42 +0100, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:25:22 +0100 > Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > >> >> Why bother... > > Because FreeBSD also runs on hardware with minimal memory? yes, but defaults should be for the masses and it is tunable for the rest > Because FreeBSD is a stable, sane operating system and we want to keep > it that way? yes, but how does an increased buffer bring instability? You can use your argument for every commit. > Because it breaks POLA? how? > Because it make developers act sloppy? How do you go from increasing a buffer to hold all the data which solves a practical problem to people being sloppy? > > I'm sorry (I'm not picking on you in particular, but this comment > represents a growing trend in attitude), but more and more people today > are becoming careless in the way they think (or not think). > I do not want FreeBSD to suffer because of that. > > If you are a FreeBSD developer or user; be vigilant! Don't let the > sloppyness silnently slip into or favorite operating system, or the way > we handle it! > IMHO these arguments are more about general feelings than actual to the point remarks.