From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 22:44:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A351CE857F3 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646157668E for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C92738F; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB5MhwcX024155 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:43:58 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB5MhuCI024154; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:43:56 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Gordon Tetlow cc: Dewayne Geraghty , freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs In-reply-to: <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <24152.1512513836.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: <24153.1512513836@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:44:02 -0000 -------- In message <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com>, Gordon Tetlow writes: >Using this as a reason to not move to HTTPS is a fallacy. We should do >everything we can to help our end-users get FreeBSD in the most secure >way. The vastly oversold "security" of HTTPS is entirely borrowed from a confederation of root-CA's which no non-deluded person can ever seriously trust. Only if you trust *everybody* on this list, is HTTPS "secure": grep '^ *Subject:' /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt And as if that delusion wasn't bad enough, the misguided and simple-minded IT-liberalistic "Encrypt everything" campaign is, 100% as predicted, pushing governments to neuter encryption in order to keep the court systems working. "IETF and what army?" -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.