From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 2 21:28:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77E3E477; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 234B718FD; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t02LSpqn075735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t02LSp4P075732; Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:28:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:28:51 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: [FreeBSD 11 Wishlist] Replacing an OpenBSD Firewall In-Reply-To: <44387tcay2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: References: <1419995051.3716640.208176841.1676669A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1420213273.622796.208841861.04300699@webmail.messagingengine.com> <44387tcay2.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 02 Jan 2015 14:28:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Adrian Chadd X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:28:55 -0000 On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Adrian Chadd writes: > >> On 2 January 2015 at 07:41, Mark Felder wrote: >>> I've been encouraged to use ipfw and dummynet, but converting my >>> firewall rules again is not something I'm enthusiastic about. I'll note >>> that FreeBSD is often praised for including pf while ipfw is completely >>> overlooked; our own Handbook even puts pf before ipfw. That certainly >>> sends a message that we may not be intending to send and should be >>> considered carefully. >> >> Well, I bet the handbook updates were written by a pf-loving person. :) > > I just took a quick look at that Handbook chapter (for the first time in > quite a few years), and I didn't notice anything I'd consider a > problem. All three firewalls are mentioned and (*very* lightly) compared > in the Synopsis that begins the chapter. pf does come before ipfw, but > *something* has to come first; it's not like anyone would go for a > suggestion like periodically re-ordering the sections... Before the reorganization, I think ipf was first. (And we were so close to losing it altogether...)