From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Jan 7 17:04:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD33F1498FB0 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from njm@njm.me.uk) Received: from smtp001-out.apm-internet.net (smtp001-out.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.222]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 862E36E73E for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from njm@njm.me.uk) Received: (qmail 22022 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2019 16:57:43 -0000 X-APM-Authkey: 18389/1(18389/1) 3 Received: from unknown (HELO meld.njm.me.uk) (90.194.142.161) by smtp001.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2019 16:57:43 -0000 Received: from triton.njm.me.uk (triton.njm.me.uk [192.168.144.133]) by meld.njm.me.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x07Gvfo8054512; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:57:41 GMT (envelope-from njm@njm.me.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triton.njm.me.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x07GvfPP092674; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:57:41 GMT (envelope-from njm@njm.me.uk) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 16:57:40 +0000 From: "N.J. Mann" To: Wojciech Puchar cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <7d7bc47d-04cf-2f9b-00a3-e3d9d92b3623@aceshardware.com> <72922F2C-9D27-47AA-BB1C-2DA8589CF008@rpi.edu> <92bd5362-d898-aa12-8f3d-9fbe23f38e0c@aceshardware.com> <26325c0b-4960-7739-72aa-c31c4e0638d3@aceshardware.com> <20ad6ace-db43-7675-a6d3-813a71ac3a9a@aceshardware.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 862E36E73E X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.14)[-0.144,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.70)[0.699,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[njm.me.uk]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[b.mx.fluent.ltd.uk,b.mx.fluent.ltd.uk,b.mx.fluent.ltd.uk,b.mx.fluent.ltd.uk,b.mx.fluent.ltd.uk]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.41)[0.407,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[222.248.119.85.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35259, ipnet:85.119.248.0/21, country:GB]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: GB(-0.10)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:04:28 -0000 On Monday, January 07, 2019 14:03:05 +0100 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I just want to remind the FreeBSD devs (you probably know, but I'm saying >> it anyway): a bunch of users who aren't contributing to this flame war do >> in fact appreciate how you think about options and consider what's best for >> FreeBSD. You have taken the effort to consider an idea that is currently > > If not from one side then from another side you want to enforce stupid ideas to > FreeBSD. Simply stop this discussion about rust, java or whatever and start > separate project if you like If you are so against change why don't you fork FreeBSD? That way YOU can decide exactly what goes into WP-BSD and what does not! There has been some great information exchanged in this thread and I have enjoyed the thought provoking discussion. I have been using the C language for 40 years. Perhaps it is time I looked at something more modern, not to replace it, to complement it. Cheers, Nick. --