From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 7 04:00:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13170 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obiwan.psinet.net.au (obiwan.psinet.net.au [203.19.28.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13160 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.psinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09487; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 18:42:10 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 18:42:10 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: alex huppenthal cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: US West Pulls Dry Copper Tarrif, Angers ISPs] In-Reply-To: <3399050E.B22@comsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Telstra in Australia has been doing that for ages. You can buy PAPL (basically dry copper pairs) from telstra, and we used the "alarm signaling" excuse for DC connectivity :) But now getting them is very, VERY hard, and over more than one exchange, practically impossible. And they *LOVE* MUXing them at exchanges, which means if you're not careful, its 64k max bandwidth for you. The sad thing is that Australia WOULD possibly be doing the same thing (cheap as buggery T1-ish links, if bandwidth was cheaper over here. American ISPs, think what would happen if you were being charged 19c a meg for incoming data. :) In reading the article, its said that US West will be provisioning their own xDSL links to customers. Same as Tel$tra. Case of the telco realising that THEY should be making more money instead of some ISP. How about all you ISPs band together and form a telco? Lay your own cable, and from my understanding, the telco which has the subscribers (in our case, telstra) would pay YOU an interconnection charge whenever someone on their network called someone on our network :) ("First 1000 people to clock 1000 hours online will recieve a years internet subscription FREE!" :-) Enough rambling, -- Adrian Chadd | "Unix doesn't stop you from doing | stupid things because that would | stop you from doing clever things"