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Date:      Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:58:58 -0400
From:      Coleman Kane <cokane@one.net>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Coleman Kane <cokane@one.net>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Parag Patel <parag@cgt.com>, Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: freebsd bios.
Message-ID:  <20000619235858.B5356@cokane.yi.org>
In-Reply-To: <200006200327.UAA02379@john.baldwin.cx>; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 11:27:32PM -0400
References:  <20000618215012.C26249@cokane.yi.org> <200006200327.UAA02379@john.baldwin.cx>

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I never said it would be easy, I simply was stating that the reference
designs tend to stick to documented specifications, typically. Of
course, writing a BIOS is hard enough.

John Baldwin had the audacity to say:
> On 19-Jun-00 Coleman Kane wrote:
> > If you start out with a board based on a reference design, say the Intel
> > SE440BX, you already have access to all this info. Most chipset vendors have
> > info on this sort of thing up on their webpage, I know intel is really good
> > about this sort of thing (though I am not so sure about the 810/815/820/840
> > chipsets).
> 
> Not the chipset, all the hardware like the PIC's, the RTC, the CPU fan,
> the keyboard controller, etc. etc. ad nauseum.  Go back earlier in the
> thread and read some of the AML Mike posted that has to be done just to
> turn the CPU fan on.
> 
> > Mike Smith had the audacity to say:
> >> 
> >> > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:35:51 +0900, "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >Loader(8) runs using BIOS services, and loads the kernel from any drive
> >> > >that BIOS recognizes. It has also been enhanced with PXE knowledge, so
> >> > >he can load from that to.
> >> > 
> >> > My mistake, as Ron pointed out, since loader uses the BIOS services, it
> >> > can't run when there is no BIOS.  Now if someone writes a loader that
> >> > doesn't use a BIOS...
> >> 
> >> You could easily do this, just as soon as you find a motherboard vendor 
> >> that will tell you how to initialise all their hardware.
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/
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> 

-- 
Coleman Kane
President, 
UC Free O.S. Users Group - http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu


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