From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 24 18:45:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C50216A420 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0934E13C46B for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (obsolete.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6OIYgFO023318; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:34:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6OIYgQi037174; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:34:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) id l6OIYfNs037169; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:34:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:34:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Josh Paetzel , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, "Daniel O'Connor" , Bill Swingle Message-ID: <20070724183441.GA37120@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <46A54B6F.9010100@dub.net> <20070724044208.GA79101@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <200707241518.35730.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200707241230.53119.josh@tcbug.org> <20070724182604.GA3759@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070724182604.GA3759@eos.sc1.parodius.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: Re: problems with Hitachi 1TB SATA drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:45:06 -0000 On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:26:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote.. > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 12:30:49PM -0500, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > I don't have any experience with the Hitachi 1TB SATA drives, but I > > know an outfit that was trying out the Seagate 1TB drives and had 8 > > out of 12 fail their burn-in (a 3 day torture test) My luck with > > consumer SATA drives has been incredibly dismal, with ~40 of them in > > service I see multiple failures a year, including drives being DOA > > and dying after a few weeks of service. I wouldn't be at all > > surprised if one or both of the drives was bad right out of the box. > makes backing up 300GB+ of data easy. Everything that's capable of > doing this is in the tens of thousands of US dollars, if not more. Am I > going to sit around once a week backing up a terabyte of data to ~120 > dual-layer 8.5GB DVDs? Nope. The closest thing out there right now is Which are only available in write-once in dual-layer so you would soon have a landfill worth of DVDs. > A new IOMega REV (which includes one 70GB disk) costs US$600 MSRP. You > read that right. Pff. Find a pre-owned SuperDLT or LTO drive? Not the cheapest I guess, but dual-layer DVDs are not a solution IMHO. Or get a Blu-ray disk? Also still $$ I'm using an LTO2 drive myself. > * SCSI is outrageously expensive even in 2007. I have yet to see any > shred of justification for why SCSI costs so much *even today*. It > costs only a smidgen less than it did 15 years ago. > > * SCSI is on its way out. Seagate recently announced that > they'll no longer be supporting SCSI products, possibly by the end of > next year: > > "Seagate has announced that by next year they will no longer be > supporting SCSI product and will be moving customers to the SATA > interface." > http://www.horizontechnology.com/news/market/market_perspective_storage_04-11-2007.php I imagine this is meant to read as: parallel SCSI, as opposed to SAS. SAS is very much alive. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org