From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 26 8:43:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE9F37BD99 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@nwlink.com) Received: from ip43.r12.d.bel.nwlink.com (ip43.r12.d.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.175.43]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19158; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@server.highperformance.net Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: gh Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why encourage stupid people to use *BSD WAS:Re: IE for FreeBSDPetition In-Reply-To: <040a01bfc71d$616792e0$f864aad0@leviathan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 May 2000, gh wrote: >Thank you, good sir, for completely ignoring my statements. > >I said that we should not encourage the *worst* of *any* usergroup to >use FreeBSD. I said specifically that I encouraged bringing people to >FreeBSD, but not forcefully shoving the lowest denominator into the >FreeBSD world. You argument is still arrogant and elitist. All denominators should come and we should welcome them. Here is why. Say one of these LCDs comes to FreeBSD, tries real hard, doesn't quite get it and quits. Then that person one day is an exec over a group of sysadmins. That person will have learned an appreciation for unix. This is a good thing. Say one of these LCDs is a dotcommer who is destined for greatness. It would be a shame to let that one go because we were snobs. I sure wish my boss had tried FreeBSD at least once. As far as computing goes he is the person of which you speak. Had he a slight appreciation for what I do, my life would be so much better. Hey, if you don't want to help the LCD, then don't. No skin off your nose. And by the way, trust Jordan, Greenman et al to do a good job. They don't ruin the performance of FreeBSD to make it easier. So don't worry. >I apologize if either I was not clear enough in my first several e-mails >or if you and others truly have missed my point. Either way, I hope it >is clear by now. Just because I disagreed with you does not mean I missed your point. I got it. "Your way is not the way of the Huron," to make an arcane movie quote. If someone comes to us with an open mind, then we should welcome them with an open mind. I have helped some very clueless people as some people have helped a very clueless me. This is the way of the Huron as I see it. I have been told to RTFM along the way. In my folly, I have even put down people in this camp who have been committers and authors of O'Reilly books. They still tolerated me and my sophomorisms. I thank them for their tolerance. They made a sysadmin out of me for free and now I get paid. Pretty damn good deal if you ask me. Thanks Jordan, Dag-Erling, Greg, Doug, David, Wes, Terry, and many others! (A list of big shots who took valuable time to help stupid me.) *BSD already has a rep for being snobby. Let's not proliferate that by actually being snobby. Thank You, | http://students.washington.edu/jcwells/ Jason Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message