From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 13 13:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165A37B401 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12001; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613143637.047be740@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:48:17 -0600 To: Bzdik BSD , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Perens Replies (was Ivan Leybovich) Cc: bruce@perens.com In-Reply-To: <20010613185817.93575.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:58 PM 6/13/2001, Bzdik BSD wrote: >Name: Bruce Perens >Email: bruce@perens.com >Location: Berkeley, CA, USA >Occupation: Strategist for HP, and Open Source Evangelist > >BSD licensing is a failing business plan for the developer. It's only a >good business plan for someone who wants to take that developer's work >without paying for it. Unlike the GPL, which lets anyone use that developer's work without paying for it. Big diff.... Hey, waitamminnit. ;-) Oh, and because users can get the functionality for free, any developer who licenses the code from the original developer for use in a commercial product is paying money for something whose market value has been reduced to zero. Not a wise move. Also, remember that GPLed additions to the original code that are contributed by third parties are not covered by the license. So the licensee usually cannot get the most up-to-date code. In short, this is a failing business plan both for the original developer (who will rarely get takers... they have to be real suckers) and for the licensing developer (who has made a bad -- probably fatal -- business decision). >In contrast, HP is currently negotiating a >commercial license with a GPL developer. Since the GPL doesn't allow >integration of his work into the proprietary (non-Linux) product where >we needed it, we had to go to him and negotiate another license. Glad to see, Bruce, that you're advocating something that's very much against your own employer's best interests. Does Ms. Fiorina know that you're advocating something that both hurts HP and unnecessarily costs it money? > If >he'd used the BSD license, we would not have needed to do that. And HP would have saved money. That HP would hire you to work against its own best interests is proof that large companies often act foolishly. >By the way, I did ask Brian Behlendorf, but he was on vacation and >could not respond in time. He said later that he would have signed. How convenient. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message