Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> To: Kevin Wilcox <kevin.wilcox@gmail.com>, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Phoronix comparision of HAMMER, UFS, ZFS, EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs Message-ID: <363530.99695.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==SXEdE7pNc=sNGnGhGV1x-b0sAjfEryzzfL1i@mail.gmail.com> References: <4D26FBD3.20307@quip.cz> <448737.83863.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <AANLkTi==SXEdE7pNc=sNGnGhGV1x-b0sAjfEryzzfL1i@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin, Sadly, true. They are a heavy Ubuntu supporting shop. I always laugh at their benchmarks. However, I may try their benches on FreeBSD against different tuning parameters on *BSDs, just to see where things are and see if there's any improvement or degradation depending on various settings. (I'm kind of happy that Debian is realizing some of the shortcomings of the kernel and now have a FreeBSD kernel to put in. ) I'm always shocked at how few people realize that Cisco, Juniper, Yahoo, Nokia, Apple, NetApp, HP, Dell, etc (yeah, all those small names) use BSD and not Linux as their development platform or as their platform of choice. (I'm still amazed that Google uses Linux but throws lots of money at SoC and FreeBSD - that's curious to me. Of course, where does everyone get their IP stacks from including MS? :-) ) After 22 years, I've realized just how much is lacking between people with Eng and Comp Sci theorists and the "certification" people who have a degree in liberal arts. Someone tried to compare themselves to me recently and they were of the latter. I smiled and put a simple automata machine on the board with a given input string and asked them what it meant. Just a blank stare. (I mean no disrespect to those persons who have gone beyond their degrees and dug into the nuts and bolts to learn this stuff - kudos to them as it's a harder row to hoe without the basis.) BTW, that company I mentioned in my previous post, same thing. Lots of people, big egos, little ability. People don't like it when you show up and, within two months, learn their proprietary product and prove to them it will never work after they spent 6 years and millions on development. They trashed the project a year after I left. (Their theory was sound but they wanted to build everything from scratch where most of it was already available as various FOSS due to the fact not one was a sysadmin and no one knew about technology available. (Heck, when I want to know what's available, I go to ports and perform a search. Then, I evaluate what's there and what's applicable. After that, I google to see what else competes. This is now the fourth company in as many years that has these types of developers/issues. I don't see how any of them will ever be successful.) I really have to get my own company up and running. 22 years of this, especially the last 5, has left me very jaded. I wonder if the FreeBSD foundation will pay my salary and I can work on FreeBSD. (*sigh* it's nice to dream) PJP ________________________________ From: Kevin Wilcox <kevin.wilcox@gmail.com> To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:40:15 AM Subject: Re: Phoronix comparision of HAMMER, UFS, ZFS, EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs On 7 January 2011 09:12, Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> wrote: > This is almost laughable. I'd like to know what parameters they were tuning. > I > used FreeBSD with ZFS to make a point to people using Debian on EXT3, EXT4, XFS > just two years ago. They were interested in total throughput and TPS. Well, I > used the SAME MACHINE and rebuilt it from scratch with the same parameters > except the filesystems and the last time I changed the OS to FreeBSD with ZFS. Paul - Phoronix has a history of "performance benchmarks" that skew *heavily* towards Linux and away from the BSDs, which is to say their "benchmarks" are hardly indicative of Real Life. I know I'm in for a laugh any time I see someone reference one of their "performance tests" regarding Linux/BSD. Sadly, a lot of folks will look at that and say, "See? An independent, non-biased review..." kmw _______________________________________________ freebsd-performance@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-performance To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-performance-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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