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Date:      Fri, 18 May 2001 20:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Jamie Bowden <ragnar@sysabend.org>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Opera ports to QNX but not BSD
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.10105182026310.13601-100000@moo.sysabend.org>
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010518131458.059ab730@localhost>

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On Fri, 18 May 2001, Brett Glass wrote:

:At 05:17 AM 5/18/2001, Jamie Bowden wrote:
:
:>As I said, I use postfix currently.  If
:>you don't need to do more than SMTP, I highly recommend it.  
:
:We would need to develop experience with it. We ABSOLUTELY
:CANNOT deploy unfamiliar server software on a mission-critical
:server without having worked with it on other machines first.

So set up a test machine and spend some time.  It really is very well
documented and easy.  The big drawback is that if you need to
support anything but SMTP, you're pretty much stuck with sendmail.

:>It is very
:>easy to install and configure, and very fast (though I suspect speed is
:>likely not an issue for you in the depths of Wyoming).
:
:What assumptions are you making about Wyoming that would lead you to
:believe that this is the case?

State population density (or lack thereof in this case).  I don't see any
indications that Wyoming is home to any major bandwidth either.

:Just for your information, we are not in "depths" of any kind. Laramie is 
:the home of the University of Wyoming, with 9,000+ undergraduates. It is 
:also two hours from Denver. 

I'm not trying to pick a fight here Brett, but you're not exactly in an
urban setting by any stretch of the imagination.  Fairfax Co. Public
Schools (where my wife currently teaches) have damn near 150,000 children
in attendance.  You're in the sticks.  The size of Denver's airport aside,
it's not exactly and urban mecca either.

I'd rather live in your setting personally, but this urban hell I inhabit
is where the jobs are.

:>  Five minutes of your time, maybe ten.

:Plus hours of time redoing our spam filters, malware filters, mail
:aliases, virtual host and user tables, list servers.... Not such a small 
:task.

Hours?  Computers were designed to do exactly the sort of data
manipulation you're talking about in an automated fashion.  The sed/awk
bits to convert one format to another (on a test box of course) shouldn't
take that long.  Testing is where hours come in, but those hours were well
spent if you will see a long term overall savings where your time is
concerned.

While I was by no means a top sendmail expert, I could and did regularly
edit the cf file without bothering to grab the manual.  I've never felt so
good about dumping something that I spent so much time acquiring skill 
with.

Jamie Bowden

-- 
"It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold"
Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur"
Iain Bowen <alaric@alaric.org.uk>



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