From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 14 19:15:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10D016A41F for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:15:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EA643D55 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:15:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from flame.pc (patr530-a088.otenet.gr [212.205.215.88]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-8) with ESMTP id k0EJDtuX018402; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:14:31 +0200 Received: by flame.pc (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D48F311630; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:12:01 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:12:01 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: JD Arnold Message-ID: <20060114191201.GA20239@flame.pc> References: <666bdb140601081330m3b394a02v@mail.gmail.com> <20060109140254.92455.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C2C7FE.1010703@chuckr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which is the best open source C/C++ IDE out there? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:15:24 -0000 On 2006-01-14 13:00, JD Arnold wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > At one point in my career (in school, lisp programming) I > > learned/used emacs. I admit, it's got so much power, there > > isn't even a close competitor. BUT at that time, I had a > > genius girl programmer at my side, and she helped me with > > emacs syntax so heavily it was funny, and so I could make use > > of emacs without really having to scale the learning curve. > > > > If I'd actually had to scale that learning curve, do you > > think I would have, even COULD have used emacs? One of the > > worst things I had happen, I needed, one year later, to go > > back to vi for a job, and just forgot enough emacs usages, > > and never went back. I'd love to, but I'd have to find > > another genius Lisp girlfriend, before I could do that. > > > > Likely? That's why emacs isn't the world's most popular > > editor/IDE. > > A couple of notes on this: [...] > > * I'm not sure why you'd "have to go back to vi for a job". Why > would anyone care what editor you use, as long as you get the > job done? I've worked in many companies, using many different > platforms, and I've always used Emacs. I'm sure Chuck, who is a very regular contributor to the lists, posting useful, knowledgeable replies, is not trying to troll against Emacs, but stating something that has been his personal experience :) I can definitely understand that, under certain circumstances, one may have to switch tools for political rather than really technical reasons. I have worked at places where we were not allowed to install 'extra' programs in the development machines, to avoid creating dependencies that the official build machines would not be able to satisfy. This had the silly side-effect that it was not possible to install a snapshot of Emacs on the development machines, so all we had was /usr/bin/vi. Having said that, I can usually install Emacs, either as a supported system package, or by bootstrapping it from source with --prefix="$HOME/opt", so I'm also using Emacs as my "IDE" for around 12 years now.