From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 10:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E469B16A40B for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FC813C469 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6AB20AC; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:37:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6E820AB; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 582F65347; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:37:08 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) To: Ivan Voras References: <200705102105.27271.blackdragon@highveldmail.co.za> <4643C7DB.6000408@elischer.org> <863b233dq4.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46443AF0.2070006@fer.hr> <86tzuj1ydn.fsf@dwp.des.no> <46443E8D.7050301@fer.hr> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:37:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46443E8D.7050301@fer.hr> (Ivan Voras's message of "Fri\, 11 May 2007 11\:59\:41 +0200") Message-ID: <86ps571wa3.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New FreeBSD package system (a.k.a. Daemon Package System (dps)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:37:13 -0000 Ivan Voras writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > > The world would be a much nicer place if people would stop redefining > > technical terms to mean whatever suits them. > I think you're overreacting. You say: if the database is consistent, > it's ACID ("Avoiding database corruption is a necessary requirement > for, rather than a consequence of, ACID") and I say: if the database > is ACID, it's consistent. Aren't we both right? First, that's not what I'm saying. Look up "requirement" and "consequence" in a dictionary (and read up on Leibniz if you feel like it) Second, ACID is much more than not corrupting the database. It also means returning consistent results for the duration of a transaction, for instance. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no