Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:42:56 +0000 From: Arthur Chance <freebsd@qeng-ho.org> To: Martin Braun <yellowgoldmine@gmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. Message-ID: <532990D0.3060005@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <CAFNm86TGi5VDznAg3FU%2BVLWD9b3fLo-gA1fzhEhseMZfe2hNuA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAFNm86TGi5VDznAg3FU%2BVLWD9b3fLo-gA1fzhEhseMZfe2hNuA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 19/03/2014 10:34, Martin Braun wrote: > FreeBSD is really great.. BUT.. > > I stopped using FreeBSD when it was about 5.x or something because I found > I spend more time compiling than I did managing our server room. I went > with Debian (and the beloved apt-get tool) and I never looked back. > > Then I needed to test different containers out so I tested Linux-VServer, > Xen, UML, and other stuff, and naturally I had to test FreeBSD Jails. I > decided to use ezjail and I noticed that FreeBSD has gotten some new really > cool tools and jails combined with ZFS are incredible. > > So pkg_add is gone and now there is the new and improved pkg and together > with "freebsd-update" it is possible to keep a system upgraded at all times > using ONLY binary packages, which are great! > > The whole point of the ports system is as stated on the OpenBSD FAQ: > > "The end result of the porting effort are ready-to-install binary > packages." > > So great.. yes? > > NO! > > Why not? > > Because still the FreeBSD ports team doesn't agree with that notion from > the OpenBSD FAQ about packages. > > The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options available > that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway! > > A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a couple > of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they are > NOT compiled to fit together! > > Now.. what the "¤"%"#!"!¤ is the point then!? Why don't we just forget > about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile? > > There's no point in making those pre-made binary packages ready for usage > when they are only freaking compiled to run alone without any kind of usage > what so ever! > > Now.. was this post an "acid reflux"? Ooh.. yeah! > > Sorry, but I really think it's a shame. > > Some don't trust binary packages from FreeBSD and some just like to tweak - > GREAT! > > But others just like to get some work done.. rather than compiling.. > compiling.. compiling..! You want Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL. I want Postfix, Dovecot2 and SQLite 3. Someone else wants Postfix, Cyrus IMAP and Postgresql. Whose personal choices should be given priority? (Rhetorical question - mine of course :-) There's not that much compiling to do anyway, probably just a few hours even on a slow machine. Set up poudriere, only recompile when there's a security patch and do very little compiling, but have a system tailored to your needs. That's what many of us do.
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