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Date:      Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:50:14 +0200
From:      Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
To:        freebsd-chat@freeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ?
Message-ID:  <20080203115013.GC2075@kobe.laptop>
In-Reply-To: <20080203073317.GA64281@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk>
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On 2008-02-03 07:33, Frank Shute <frank@esperance-linux.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 06:13:05AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>On 2008-02-03 01:01, Frank Shute <frank@esperance-linux.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 01:28:48AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote:
>>>>Frank Shute <frank@esperance-linux.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> Should be done by default IMO. Used to be until the religious maniacs
>>>>> started going on about devil worship and other such nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> No, it was removed because it was butt-ugly.  ASCII art stopped being
>>>> cool twenty years ago.
>>>
>>> And the ascii Freebsd that it was replaced with is beautiful?! And
>>> cool?!!
>>>
>>> I like the ascii beastie and you've got no taste ;)
>>>
>>> If it were put to a vote, the beast would win by a country mile amongst
>>> those users with taste!
>>
>> Taste... it's always 'taste' in a way or another.
>>
>> Since there *is* an option, which interested people can tweak to their
>> heart's desire, and the source *IS* *OPEN* for anyone to modify on their
>> own if the option is not enough, can we drop the ad hominem's and move
>> on with actually *hacking* FreeBSD to make it better?
>
> I thought chat@ was the place to hang out when you'd had enough of
> "hacking"?

It is.  I just thought the tone of the last exchanges started being `too
much' even for chat.  FreeBSD is famous as a project, including both the
developers *and* the user community, for its civilized attitude and the
maturity of email exchanges.  We don't really *need* all that personal
attack stuff :/

> As for taste, it's due to a lack of taste that we're now lumbered with
> a sex toy as a logo.

I don't feel particularly well about the new logo either, but that's a
bit besides the point.

I am not using FreeBSD because I like its current logo or because I like
the style of monospaced text in the web pages (I don't, there are
horrendous CSS bugs in the web site, which I have often complained
about).

I am using FreeBSD because I like the way it works, I like the quality
of its source code base, and most importantly: I like the people ;)

> Keep the text as a monument to somebody's stupidity and a project gone
> awry... and the bloody sex toy.

I suppose we should be thankful that the `sex toy' doesn't render well
in ASCII art.  Now that would be fun ...




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