From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 17:49:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD8916A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fri.itea.ntnu.no (fri.itea.ntnu.no [129.241.7.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF23E43D1F for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from janchris@stud.ntnu.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3325880C8; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from panter.stud.ntnu.no (panter.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.186]) by fri.itea.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by panter.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix, from userid 32277) id D001B12D53; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panter.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB7912D52; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:49:10 +0100 (MET) From: Jan Christian Meyer To: Lowell Gilbert In-Reply-To: <44pt1is0m5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: References: <20041209074943.GA32126@alzatex.com> <44pt1is0m5.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Scanned: with sophos and spamassassin at mailgw.ntnu.no. cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RTL8139 Cardbus Card fails to activate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:49:13 -0000 On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Jan Christian Meyer writes: > >> I upgraded my laptop (Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook C4355) to 5.3 this week, >> and had the same problem. My card started working when i disabled ACPI. I >> don't have a sufficiently pointy hat to tell you _why_ this happened... >> It shouldn't be like that, separate parts of the system, mumble grumble, >> but in the spirit of empirical observation: It Worked For Me. > > Separate parts of the system? Hardware discovery and Cardbus? As stated, I'm not deeply into how it all fits together, so I'm observing purely as an end-user. The "separate parts" I was referring to are the state of ACPI and whether or not the rl driver sets my card up to shovel packets. The network card does not fail without ACPI, and ACPI does not miss the network card when it isn't there. Under 5.1 and 5.2.1, I could switch either of these on and off without the other emitting any distress signals, and there was no problem. Together with the facts that they have separate on/off toggles, and that I perceive them to do different things for me, this makes me consider them functionally independent features, whether or not their implementations are related on a lower level of abstraction. (They apparently _are_ related, as one makes the other fail.) > Those seem about as closely related as any two features could be... I don't find this to be obvious at all, but it's good that someone does. May I trouble you to shed some light on the matter, or provide me with a reference? Cheers, -Jan Christian