From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 01:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C4E16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc5.i.0x5.de (reverse-213-146-113-119.dialin.kamp-dsl.de [213.146.113.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6943D46 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nicolas@dauerreden.de) Received: from pc5.i.0x5.de (nicolas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc5.i.0x5.de (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0B9RkR7002866 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:27:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nicolas@pc5.i.0x5.de) Received: (from nicolas@localhost) by pc5.i.0x5.de (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i0B9RkEh002865 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:27:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nicolas) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:27:46 +0100 From: Nicolas Rachinsky To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040111092746.GA836@pc5.i.0x5.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20040108163724.GA26745@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <200401101945.27234.wes@softweyr.com> <400108FC.9010008@iconoplex.co.uk> <200401110048.52747.wes@softweyr.com> <40011237.3000409@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Powered-by: FreeBSD X-Homepage: http://www.rachinsky.de X-PGP-Keyid: C11ABC0E X-PGP-Fingerprint: 19DB 8392 8FE0 814A 7362 EEBD A53B 526A C11A BC0E X-PGP-Key: http://www.rachinsky.de/nicolas/nicolas_rachinsky.asc X-SECURITY: Never trust a running system User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Subject: Re: Discussion on the future of floppies in 5.x and 6.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:27:52 -0000 * Dag-Erling Smørgrav [2004-01-11 10:19 +0100]: > Paul Robinson writes: > > Understood. I just think saying "let's get rid of floppies" is > > shooting a dog that happens to be near to hand because you don't like > > that dog, to stretch the analogy. > > I don't think you have any idea how difficult it is (and has been for > a couple of years now) just to keep the install floppies alive. The > kernel keeps growing, and the amount of "must-have" features (such as > acpi) keeps growing, and every time the boot floppies overflow we have > to toss out yet another driver that about a dozen people vehemently > tell us they can't live without. Why not split the kernel onto 2 disks? The code to do this is already there and seems to work. And the people who think they absolutly need disks would have to deal with 4 disks, but that would be better than no disks. Look at the commit history of /usr/src/lib/libstand/splitfs.c. Is there a reason not to use it? Nicolas