From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 24 03:14:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D521065670 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BDB8FC0A for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-64-105.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.64.105]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABDD16C001E for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m7O3AJn3003487 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:10:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:10:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <20080824051019.1db2cc2b.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: XFree86 instead of Xorg? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:14:10 -0000 Hi! I'd like to ask if there is a way to use XFree86 instead of Xorg on FreeBSD 7 to provide basic X functionalities. A big problem I see are the dependencies of X applications. The reason why I ask: I've been using FreeBSD 5 and XFree86 4 for many years happily, my ATI Radeon 9000 RV250 had excellent driver support, 3D no problems. Since I was forced to upgrade to FreeBSD 7 due to a massive data loss, I have problems with Xorg 7. When X is started, it takes several seconds for the display to initialize - such an amount of time that the monitor switches off (no signal). Furthermore, X creates system load 1.00 -- 1.50%, this hasn't been the case with XFree86. Xorg uses the driver "ati", the "radeon" module has been compiled into the kernel. Of course I know that I'm using ancient hardware that I cannot expect to run well with modern implementations of X, so I'd like to know if there's a way to use older X stuff on FreeBSD 7. (Sadly, the long startup of X wastes any speed improvement the FreeBSD 7 startup offered.) Furthermore, I'm having a problem with many of the applications that have switched from Gtk to Gtk 2 (sylpheed, xchat, gimp) running too slow (graphical effect delay, redrawing). My window manager is Windowmaker, I don't do anything special. Hardware: Intel Pentium 4, 2.0 GHz, Intel Board, 768 MB SDR-SDRAM drm0: on vgapci0 ATI Technologies Inc RV250 Radeon 9000/9000 Pro (AGP) System: FreeBSD/i386 7.0-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 23 23:42:41 CEST 2008 xorg-7.3_1 xorg-drivers-7.3 xorg-libraries-7.3_1 xorg-server-1.4_4,1 Or just tell me that it's impossible and I should shut off and go buy new stuff. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...