From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed May 4 08:37:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D05B2D93B for ; Wed, 4 May 2016 08:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11FD1396 for ; Wed, 4 May 2016 08:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9C8C2B2D93A; Wed, 4 May 2016 08:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C343B2D939 for ; Wed, 4 May 2016 08:37:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: from toco-domains.de (mail.toco-domains.de [176.9.39.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 646501395; Wed, 4 May 2016 08:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (mail.toco-domains.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:150:50a5::6]) by toco-domains.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5ABE51AAF01B; Wed, 4 May 2016 10:37:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: old ports/packages To: Greg Byshenk , ports@freebsd.org References: <03cc4012-026e-c007-09e1-ee45524f1b95@elischer.org> <1FAFDF989841D03604BB448B@atuin.in.mat.cc> <7b8d22c6-1fed-d517-9f89-693b88dfc358@freebsd.org> <20160504070341.GV740@mail0.byshenk.net> Cc: Mathieu Arnold , Julian Elischer , Julian Elischer From: Torsten Zuehlsdorff Message-ID: <3dfd6fea-da32-b922-65d1-f64b8e113112@toco-domains.de> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 10:37:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160504070341.GV740@mail0.byshenk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 08:37:31 -0000 On 04.05.2016 09:03, Greg Byshenk wrote: > On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 01:44:29PM +0800, Julian Elischer wrote: >> On 3/05/2016 2:31 PM, Mathieu Arnold wrote: >>> +--On 3 mai 2016 12:02:13 +0800 Julian Elischer wrote: >>> | On 2/05/2016 8:39 PM, Mathieu Arnold wrote: > >>> |> There is a tag, https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/PKG_INSTALL_EOL/ >>> |> that gives you the last version to support pkg_install. Anything after >>> |> that will not work with it. At all. > >>> | I'm not looking to produce old packages of the ports tree.. I know the >>> | ports crew would hate me for that. >>> | >>> | What I object to is not having the tools needed to generate MY OWN >>> | PACKAGES in ports. > >>> You can generate your own packages from the ports tree, just not with >>> pkg_install, it was deprecated three or four years ago, and remove 19 >>> months ago. > >> Of course I can create NEW packages.. I want to generate OLD style >> packages.. >> >> what's so hard to understand about that? if a company has old >> packages build into it's infrastructure.... >> >> and has to create old style packages of "proprietary stuff" to send >> out to appliances out in the field then you are breaking them. > > I'm not a developer, so anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong > in any of this, but... > > Julian, you -can- create old-style packages (eg: of proprietary > internal software); you just have to do it based on an old-style > ports tree (which you can checkout, if you need it, as noted > above). > > What you cannot do is create old-style packages from a new ports > tree. This is because the ports infrastructure has been changing > since pkg_install was deprecated, and pkg_install simply will not > work with the current ports tree (and, as I understand it, cannot > practically be modified in order to work with it). You are mostly correct. It is possible to modify and old ports-tree to get the new software in. I have at least two customer paying me for exact this work. But to be fair: it is no fun and harder with every new release :D I suppose what some customer need is an LTS version. Missing one is a show stopper for FreeBSD usage in many firms i talked to. I do not think this is a good idea from a technical point - but firms are slow and want stability. Greetings, Torsten