From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 31 15:18:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A6516A4CE; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:18:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from telecom.net.et (ns2.telecom.net.et [213.55.64.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41A443D49; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:18:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mtm@identd.net) Received: from [213.55.66.168] (HELO pool-151-200-10-97.res.east.verizon.net) by telecom.net.et (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 53148900; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:11:54 +0300 Received: from rogue.acs-et.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) ESMTP id i6VFJqDT030589; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:19:53 +0300 (EAT) (envelope-from mtm@rogue.acs-et.com) Received: (from mtm@localhost) by rogue.acs-et.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6VFJjRR030588; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:19:45 +0300 (EAT) (envelope-from mtm) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:19:44 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen To: Andrey Chernov , Oliver Eikemeier Message-ID: <20040731151944.GA23710@rogue.acs-et.com> References: <20040731104933.GA1312@rogue.acs-et.com> <03C7D82F-E2F5-11D8-9C56-00039312D914@fillmore-labs.com> <20040731145616.GA14576@rogue.acs-et.com> <20040731150542.GA5612@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040731150542.GA5612@nagual.pp.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/5.2-CURRENT (i386) cc: freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Alternate patch to have true new-style rc.d scripts in ports (without touching localpkg) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:18:45 -0000 On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 07:05:42PM +0400, Andrey Chernov wrote: > On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 05:56:16PM +0300, Mike Makonnen wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 03:24:56PM +0200, Oliver Eikemeier wrote: > > > Lets be realistic: Nearly nobody wants his scripts to be sourced in the > > > startup shell, especially not in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. People who really > > > want to do this are experts that exactly know what they are doing, and > > > are not easily confused. > > > > *sigh* You cannot arbitrarily declare that "nearly nobody wants his > > scripts to be sourced in the startup shell". You have no idea of knowing > > what a user might want to do with his system and what his level of > > expertise is. > > That argument is against your position. I don't think so... read on > If you have no idea, user (i.e. > script) can do _anything_, I mean easily damage startup shell even without > evil intentions. You know example - apache13. We need minimal protection, > separating base scripts level and ports scripts level, I mean executing > them in the subshells. You are right, that is the reason why there is a distinction between scripts that have a .sh, and those that don't. If you really want your script to be sourced in the same shell, then you give it a .sh extension. Otherwise, it will be sourced in a subshell. So, when portmgr has finished with the ports rc.d plumbing the apache script will be installed without a .sh extension, and will thus be sourced in a subshell. Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://www.identd.net/~mtm/mtm.asc mtm@identd.net | Fingerprint: AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 mtm@FreeBSD.Org| FreeBSD - Unleash the Daemon !