From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 3 20:18:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CE237B407 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13607; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011003210717.0442cb20@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:18:09 -0600 To: Rahul Siddharthan , Technical Information From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: helping victims of terror Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010925001027.A750@lpt.ens.fr> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010924170815.0180aee8@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:10 PM 9/24/2001, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >This crime is not acceptable. There is no justification for it. The scary part is that not only fundamentalist Islam but even the plain language of the Qu'ran actually DO claim to "justify" it. See http://www.secularislam.org/call.htm and http://www.secularislam.org/wtc2.htm As you read these essays, note that, like Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses," they are heresies that -- simply because they critique some aspects of Islam -- would be sufficient to get the authors killed should they show their faces in an Islamic nations. The authors are clearly struggling with the fact that Islam -- not just fundamentalist Islam, but any form of Islam that does not reject portions of the Qu'ran and Islamic law ("Sharia") -- is as incompatible with humanism, separation of church of state, and other aspects of Western culture as oil is with water. They do not wish to reject their religion, but rather to reform it.... They bemoan the fact that since Islam allows for no reform or even moderation, they may be forced to reject it. The essays are both enlightening and scary. Recommended reading. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message